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Old 11-29-2017, 01:34 PM   #21
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I haven't checked in a while, but there are cell phone photo competitions out there, and some cell phones are definitely preferred.
I don't care what cell phone you have. It junk compared to a DSLR.
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I don't care what cell phone you have. It junk compared to a DSLR.
Yep. The properties of light remain the same. No way to capture it with any depth of field with a tiny lens.
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2mm lens compared to a 50mm. Teeny chip with tiny photoreceptors compared with something 10x the size. Shared processor compared to a dedicated processor. Slow laggy shutter compared to a nearly instantaneous reaction with the DSLR.
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I don't care what cell phone you have. It junk compared to a DSLR.
And a dslr is junk compared to a large format view camera with digital back. Being able to tilt and move the lens off axis let's you get shots a dslr can't touch.
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And a dslr is junk compared to a large format view camera with digital back. Being able to tilt and move the lens off axis let's you get shots a dslr can't touch.
Buy a tilt-shift lens.
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And a dslr is junk compared to a large format view camera with digital back. Being able to tilt and move the lens off axis let's you get shots a dslr can't touch.
So? We aren't talking Ansel Adams here, just snapshots verses pro grade photos. Are you suggesting pros don't use dslrs?
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I bought a lower end mirrorless DSLR for around $500 and I've been pretty happy. There are a number of other things you'll want to get better photos that are going to add up so better a $500 camera + lights and a tripod than a $1000 camera alone.

Another tool that I find is very helpful is Adobe Lightroom. This gives you the ability to tweak your RAW photos which helps take some pressure off the shoots.

Hiring a pro is great but only if the pro is REALLY good. If it's in the budget then I think it's worth it but probably only for 1-2 projects a year that you plan to submit for awards or to use on sites like Houzz. If you're finishing 20 projects a year then I'd recommend getting the camera and gear too. Better to have pretty good photos of all the jobs than great photos of only 2.

You can also split the tab for the photographer with other trades if they're involved but make sure that the contract with the photographer is clear that you have the rights to the images and can distribute them.
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So? We aren't talking Ansel Adams here, just snapshots verses pro grade photos. Are you suggesting pros don't use dslrs?
Pros use pretty much what ever they want. No matter the equipment, there are going to be limitations. You always have to work around those, so equipment is chosen to not have significant limitations for the subject at hand. Shutter lag, for instance would be a big problem for sports events, but would be a plus for a camera on a mount photographing buildings not using a remote shutter release.

Ansel Adams didn't do squat with lens tilt and off axis work. He just ran it straight at f64. Tilt and off axis is handy for shooting sky scrapers and maybe a horizontal walk, wall, or something like that. The downside is it takes a long time to set up the shot.

Really, I think Golden Views thread on professional interior photography is the best I've seen. I will say, given a choice between a better camera for it, and better lighting, I'd take better lighting every time.

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Let me make an analogy:

Can you do better work with Ryobi than a homeowner with Festool?
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.......... Tilt and off axis is handy for shooting sky scrapers and maybe a horizontal walk, wall, or something like that. The downside is it takes a long time to set up the shot...................


It doesn't take all that long to introduce a shift or tilt. It's usually done in a matter of a few seconds for each.

Shift, rise & fall all correct perspective issues.

Swing and tilt control depth of field. Once you grasp the scheimpflug principle, using LF movements is a piece of cake.
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Not so much anymore, sorry Leo. Starting to sound like "don't care what CAD program you have, the drawings are chit compared to Pen and Ink Blue Prints. Smart phones are rapidly catching up. And for the OP's purposes of day to day site shooting and online gallery of smaller jobs .... A higher end camera in a smart phone will suffice.
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It doesn't take all that long to introduce a shift or tilt. It's usually done in a matter of a few seconds for each.

Shift, rise & fall all correct perspective issues.

Swing and tilt control depth of field. Once you grasp the scheimpflug principle, using LF movements is a piece of cake.
Who needs a tilt shift lens, LR and Photoshop can perspective correct, hell PS even has a tilt shift blur filter to fake the tilt shift

Perspective correct isn't bad, but not perfect ... Tilt shift filter is a sorry arse substitute for teh real thing.
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Who needs a tilt shift lens, LR and Photoshop can perspective correct, hell PS even has a tilt shift blur filter to fake the tilt shift

Perspective correct isn't bad, but not perfect ... Tilt shift filter is a sorry arse substitute for teh real thing.
Yeah, but you still gotta correct the barrel, pincushion or compound distortion inherent in fixed-FFL lenses used by 99.999999% of people out there.

Both that and perspective correction done in post can introduce artifacts caused by pixelation. On an image exported for web use, that's not going to be an issue. But if you're going to print large images...............
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It doesn't take all that long to introduce a shift or tilt. It's usually done in a matter of a few seconds for each.

Shift, rise & fall all correct perspective issues.

Swing and tilt control depth of field. Once you grasp the scheimpflug principle, using LF movements is a piece of cake.

Put your sensor array or film back parallel to the face of a sky scraper from the street on a large format. Shoot the whole building, so you're running the lense close to a 45 tilt and way off axis. Getting focus across the whole scene takes time. Maybe You're faster at it than I was. The math is simple, but you still wind up tweaking the set up based on what you see across the field.
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Put your sensor array or film back parallel to the face of a sky scraper from the street on a large format. Shoot the whole building, so you're running the lense close to a 45 tilt and way off axis. Getting focus across the whole scene takes time. Maybe You're faster at it than I was. The math is simple, but you still wind up tweaking the set up based on what you see across the field.
I see why it took you so long.

You do not tilt the lens to correct for perspective. Tilt affects DOF. You would want to Rise the lens, Fall the film plane, or a combination of both if the camera has the ability, to correct for keystoning.

THEN adjust tilt to alter your DOF if need be.

Of course, if you're standing across the street from the Empire State Building, even if you had a lens with enough FOV to capture the entire building, the image circle will be way off the film assuming you have that much rise & fall in the system. OTOH, you'd never get a decent digital image from that vantage point if you tried to correct perspective in post either.
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Not so much anymore, sorry Leo. Starting to sound like "don't care what CAD program you have, the drawings are chit compared to Pen and Ink Blue Prints. Smart phones are rapidly catching up. And for the OP's purposes of day to day site shooting and online gallery of smaller jobs .... A higher end camera in a smart phone will suffice.
Sorry, you are wrong about this. Laws of physics can't be denied and a 2mm lens with a small photo chip limits the quality you can have.
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Sorry, you are wrong about this. Laws of physics can't be denied and a 2mm lens with a small photo chip limits the quality you can have.
So they don't do shallow depth of field well, but that's a good thing for photos of our projects. They also don't do low light well, which could be a problem for interiors if the images will be blown up.
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Both Nokia and Apple make cell phones with good low light performance.

We still don't know what exactly the OP WILL BE photographing under what conditions.

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