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Old 11-03-2017, 04:02 PM   #41
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If you are going to lend tools out you should know you are going to lose them. What I do with roofing tools is let the person know I can lend it if I can get it secured with a credit card and that I'll run the card if I don't get it back on time....including a handling fee. If they really want it and will return it they don't have a problem with that. If they have a problem then they were not going to return it anyway. Works every time.

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I'm not even surprised anymore when a tool is lent out and broken.
let's go through the list.
#1 never see it again
#2 returned broken or abused
#3 I need it too!!!
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If you are going to lend tools out you should know you are going to lose them. What I do with roofing tools is let the person know I can lend it if I can get it secured with a credit card and that I'll run the card if I don't get it back on time....including a handling fee. If they really want it and will return it they don't have a problem with that. If they have a problem then they were not going to return it anyway. Works every time.

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I lent my big 4" belt sander to a friend and he brought it back with the front handle broken off. Plugged it in with the switch on.
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:10 AM   #45
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Just do it the way you would normal do it if I weren't here.
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this really pisses me off too. I also lend my tools to people and they don't return my tools on time.
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Thanks for posting this thread. I have been thinking about his lately. Despite only being in the trades for about a year, I came with and have been investing in a good set of tools. I like knowing I have the right tool on hand and feeling comfortable in its use. The number and quality of my tools far exceed those I have been working with (including the owner/gc/lead carpenter). We're all "1099", but I'm the only one who seems to have been investing in his trade.

I have gotten to the point where I'm mostly leading the majority of a complete remodel job (e.g. bath, kitchen, addition). With the exception of some of the trades we're subbing out, it makes sense to have common shared tools due to the size of our crew and jobs. For example, a cut station (miter/circular/table saws) and air compressor comes to mind. I also bring a full compliment of tools that I think will be needed.

I have been burnt a couple of times as tools have gone to another jobsite and are not there when I expect them. Many times they come back damaged or out of adjustment. Also, I'm not getting compensated for wear/tear and consumables.

When people don't show up with the right tool, I have started to joke that I will rent the tool to them for $5. I'm thinking that I should begin to enforce it. There alternative is that they can go out and buy a tool or go home.

For the GC, I'm considering a tools/supplies fee much like a auto shop charges. This will give me more control of what is onsite and compensate me for the use of my tools.

What are your thoughts?
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Despite only being in the trades for about a year, I came with and have been investing in a good set of tools. I like knowing I have the right tool on hand and feeling comfortable in its use. The number and quality of my tools far exceed those I have been working with (including the owner/gc/lead carpenter). We're all "1099", but I'm the only one who seems to have been investing in his trade.

What are your thoughts?
Now you have shed a different light on things, completely different light.
You are working with slugs, dumb@sses and/or parasites. Long time ago there were crews that I would work with that they grew to be dependent on me for my tools on a job...so I gradually stopped bringing my tools to that job. I was an employee just like the rest of them, I liked my tools...and apparently so did the owner and his crew.
It was funny at first, then I think it turned to resentment all the times during the next days, "Hey krok, you got...." "nope".
I worked just like they did. If we needed a tool and we didn't have it, we figured something out or the boss went and figured it out.

As you I'm guessing are new in the trades, will need more and more experience, keep working with these guys.

Don't know how things are where you are, but what I suggest for you to do is park the majority of your tools and find a residential framing company and go work for them. Framing is one of the Foundation Trades and so many tradespeople don't have it. Residential remodeling isn't a trade--it's where people wind up, not where they start. Learn how to build a house and do it for 3-5 years, then see where you want to go.
And in that time, you can build up your tool collection away from the slugs.

Another option is moving to someplace else where there is a lot of new residential construction if none is taking place in your area. You are here on this board, put out some feelers here and you'll get a head start. There are many places that are looking for Americans that are willing to work.
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We're all "1099", but I'm the only one who seems to have been investing in his trade.

What are your thoughts?
I understand 1099 to be independent contractors, not employees. Who sets your wages? Contractors are supposed to have their own tools for the job. I know I'm not lending mine to a contractor I hire for a project. Sounds like your boss is screwing you.
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My stuff is too heavy to borrow

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When one of my gutter machines was out getting adjusted few weeks ago one of my friends at the yard offered us the use of his van and gutter machine if I got in a jamb. Guess depending on the day I'm not sure I'd be that nice. Real good Mexican dude. Grab a pick for him on occasion.

I helped a competitor out for a little while years ago after his truck caught on fire and basically melted his machine. I'd delivered gutters for him to his jobs till he got back on his feet.


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Thanks for posting this thread. I have been thinking about his lately. Despite only being in the trades for about a year, I came with and have been investing in a good set of tools. I like knowing I have the right tool on hand and feeling comfortable in its use. The number and quality of my tools far exceed those I have been working with (including the owner/gc/lead carpenter). We're all "1099", but I'm the only one who seems to have been investing in his trade.

I have gotten to the point where I'm mostly leading the majority of a complete remodel job (e.g. bath, kitchen, addition). With the exception of some of the trades we're subbing out, it makes sense to have common shared tools due to the size of our crew and jobs. For example, a cut station (miter/circular/table saws) and air compressor comes to mind. I also bring a full compliment of tools that I think will be needed.

I have been burnt a couple of times as tools have gone to another jobsite and are not there when I expect them. Many times they come back damaged or out of adjustment. Also, I'm not getting compensated for wear/tear and consumables.

When people don't show up with the right tool, I have started to joke that I will rent the tool to them for $5. I'm thinking that I should begin to enforce it. There alternative is that they can go out and buy a tool or go home.

For the GC, I'm considering a tools/supplies fee much like a auto shop charges. This will give me more control of what is onsite and compensate me for the use of my tools.

What are your thoughts?
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Mr. Stop:

It sounds like you take your trade more seriously than your co-workers. On the right jobsite, everyone would have their own tools, the majority of sites I have been on have thankfully been like this. Borrowing the odd thing for a minute, not a big deal and you know favours can be returned. But if constantly you are the go-to guy for tools that really are necessary, that isn't cool and not "normal".

If you wanted to stay working in your current role, I would approach your boss and discuss this. Tell him you didn't buy your personal tools for everyone else's use, and it needs to stop. That or you will need money, say a couple grand a year, for replacements. He should either be buying site tools, or compensating you.

Also, the fact you are a "sub" on a job where you are working for one GC, probably isn't really the greatest situation. That there tells me your boss is probably cheap, too cheap to bring people on board who work for him full time. If you are a true sub, as are your co-workers, everyone would be fully equipped, and would not be borrowing tools.

Sounds like you need to find a bit more professional crew, or make sure something changes.
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When one of my gutter machines was out getting adjusted few weeks ago one of my friends at the yard offered us the use of his van and gutter machine if I got in a jamb. Guess depending on the day I'm not sure I'd be that nice. Real good Mexican dude. Grab a pick for him on occasion.

I helped a competitor out for a little while years ago after his truck caught on fire and basically melted his machine. I'd delivered gutters for him to his jobs till he got back on his feet.


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I think there is a big difference between I've suffered a loss through theft or fire and I'm to cheap to buy my own tools.

If you tell me you were cleaned out by a thief and I have a spare mine is yours i would like to think people would do the same for me

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I think there is a big difference between I've suffered a loss through theft or fire and I'm to cheap to buy my own tools.

If you tell me you were cleaned out by a thief and I have a spare mine is yours i would like to think people would do the same for me

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I hear ya. I grew up in the trades. We always borrowed and lent stuff out. Kind of just a laid back business attitude. I'd never charge anyone for borrowing my ladders.


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I let someone use my lift this summer...I've spent $3000 re-packing cylinders, fixing tire, and replacing a brake valve after he brought it back.
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I let someone use my lift this summer...I've spent $3000 re-packing cylinders, fixing tire, and replacing a brake valve after he brought it back.
....but a lot of people has helped me along the way and I wouldn't hesitate to help someone again
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I understand 1099 to be independent contractors, not employees.
The guy has been in the trades...maybe a year. How can he even have insurance? Don't most insurance companies have a minimum amount of time you have to be in before they'll do a policy on you?

Making how much an hour?

This stinks like one of those craigslist type hacks/hucksters that hires inexperienced/etc. people for little to nothing, pays little to nothing, 1099s them. Then after the end of the year they get their tax form and are in for a surprise at the taxes they owe.

Wouldn't surprise me if they all continuously owe back taxes...and some have past liability judgements against them. Good way to see that is the "boss" gives you the check in the company name, but it's signed by a woman, his wife. That means he can't play his game anymore and now he had to start a company in his wife's name and run it through her.

My experience is, good people don't stick around and work for bad people/companies and I think Mr. OP is just starting to realize the people he is working along side of and for.

I think as a new, self employed businessman, Mr. OP is learning a good lesson about some in the trades.
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