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Old 12-15-2016, 09:25 AM   #21
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We do both a full finish and sometimes not. Our SOP is to finish drywall, texture, prime and paint (everything) then install cabs, countertops and splash (there is always some paint touch-up to do after these things). We find it more time consuming to lay-out where the cabs/splash stop/end (and possibly a lot more expensive when they stop short of getting behind the cabs/splash), than to just do it.

The laundry/mud room we’re doing now has wall to wall and floor to ceiling cabs on two walls… Fire tape and get installing.

Sometimes the schedule dictates – do we have time to get the painter in before cabs/splash. Most of the time we do because we’re waiting on countertops – sometimes we don’t and we press on and prime/paint after. Note: we never hold-up getting bases in for paint. Gotta get the countertops templated.

On a recent kitchen, we did our SOP. Just before the wall cabs went up, I realized we were missing a LV wire. Had to cut a small hole (2” x 4”) in the drywall to fish it… fire tape and press on. I’m not going to hold up the cabinet install for a complete finish of the patch.
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Old 12-15-2016, 09:31 AM   #22
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Re: Painting Behind Cabinets


I think the last minute changes argument by Griz is valid. Also building for the future, where they may want to make a change involving moving a cabinet. It would be easier to do some small patching on the finish vs trying to blend in a texture.
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We do both a full finish and sometimes not. Our SOP is to finish drywall, texture, prime and paint (everything) then install cabs, countertops and splash (there is always some paint touch-up to do after these things). We find it more time consuming to lay-out where the cabs/splash stop/end (and possibly a lot more expensive when they stop short of getting behind the cabs/splash), than to just do it.

The laundry/mud room we’re doing now has wall to wall and floor to ceiling cabs on two walls… Fire tape and get installing.

Sometimes the schedule dictates – do we have time to get the painter in before cabs/splash. Most of the time we do because we’re waiting on countertops – sometimes we don’t and we press on and prime/paint after. Note: we never hold-up getting bases in for paint. Gotta get the countertops templated.

On a recent kitchen, we did our SOP. Just before the wall cabs went up, I realized we were missing a LV wire. Had to cut a small hole (2” x 4”) in the drywall to fish it… fire tape and press on. I’m not going to hold up the cabinet install for a complete finish of the patch.
And therein might lie the difference... like Xtrememtnbiker, we do it all on the project...
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Our company does the demo, the framing, the drywall, the painting, the cabinets, everything. So it's not a matter of "It's easier to just have the drywall guy finish everything" regarding communication.
So where the cabinets will be, etc. in determining what's finished and to what level are not an issue... if you're subbing out finishing, it just delays things more IMHO, but then where cabinets are would be a minor issue (just place a reference mark for the sub)... We just give the customer the option, and even then, after explaining what's involved, 9 out of 10 don't would rather save the money...

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A good trick to use in kitchen drywall around cabinets is as follows. Say the room has 8 ' ceiling height,in cabinet area,rip one sheet in half length wise,start with 2' rip at bottom,then full width piece next,top gets other 2' rip. The sheets are of course laid horizontal,advantage,no tape seams in crucial area of counter back splash and smoother area for tile. Also,seams will be hidden behind base and upper cabinets.
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I finish behind the cabinets. Always paint before hanging cabinets.

Now,,,if,,,the finish behind the cabinets is a little rough, I let it go. Only if I'm sure it's behind the cabinets.

Just seems like the right thing to do.
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Depends on sequencing. Cabs not in? prime and paint as usual (everything). Cabs in? Prime and paint where the cabs aren't.
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I'm wanting to at least tape and one coat, sand and prime everything. A proper smooth finish everywhere cabinets definitely aren't going.

The rest of the crew, including the boss say what's the point, it's just gonna get covered and your wasting time and money.
At least one of the other guys is coming around to the reasons why a good quality finish is a smart move behind cabinets/trim.
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At least one of the other guys is coming around to the reasons why a good quality finish is a smart move behind cabinets/trim.
Yeah you are.

Don't post a picture of the wall behind the built in cabinet though...
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Considering you're installing new cabinets, I wouldn't stress about it and just leave it to customer preference... the next time those cabinets will likely be off the wall, they'll most likely be changing color anyway... wasted time and material on something that matters little if at all...

What we tell our customers as it relates to finishes, unless you tell us different (we all run into A-types), if you don't see it, there's not a lot of attention paid to it as it's something you're never going to see unless you're re-doing things... kinda' like the bottom of a car... most don't paint the bottom because you can't see it...
I just finish all the way and get final coat on not much more work. sometimes people do change minds on the backsplash.

hi do you want the walls to look nice under the cabinets?
no way i could ask that question
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Don't post a picture of the wall behind the built in cabinet though...


Yeah....that might qualify as wall of shame material


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I often have an entire wall with no paint visible in a kitchen. That wall will get taped, second, primed.
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If you are doing most of the work,
- demo
- new utility upgrades
- sheetrock / spackle
-Next Comes Kitchen Cabinets INstallation along with full trim throughout
- install the tops
- then painters arrive to prime and paint all throughout

From here you fine tune ( install misc items to finish )
- door knobs
- door stops
- mirrors
- shelving poles
- utility crews arrive to finish connections etc
Once everything is completed above then
- call in the floor finishing crew to finish the hardwood unless its tile then which it would have been installed after the drywall finishing but prior to cabinet install.
- Then once above is finished, painters come back and spend the day touching up
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Primer plus one coat on all walls before finishing or cabinets.
Second coat after final finish stage.
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I always believe in making everything presentable, as others have stated in this thread, you never know when a homeowner will make some last minute changes and you have exposed unfinished drywall.

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Hell why even put drywall behind the cabinets

if you put the cabinets first... less drywall to use..
save 20 bucks
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Hell why even put drywall behind the cabinets

if you put the cabinets first... less drywall to use..
save 20 bucks
Because then you'd have a customer who would complain that their cabinets are a 1/2" less deep...
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Because then you'd have a customer who would complain that their cabinets are a 1/2" less deep...
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