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Old 02-24-2018, 10:26 AM   #1
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Went to a birthday party at a 1800's mansion. You have to appreciate the craftsmanship that went into building this stuff.

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Here is another neat old house you guys have in "Cheese land".

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It always amazes me what they accomplished with "hand tools".
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It always amazes me what they accomplished with "hand tools".
The only hand tools were saws and hammers to fit stuff together.

All wood components and even lots of the built in cupboards, etc. would all be ordered from a pattern book and shipped to the site. I have pattern books dating back into the 1870s.

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Visual overload - detailing is layer after layer.
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The only hand tools were saws and hammers to fit stuff together.

All wood components and even lots of the built in cupboards, etc. would all be ordered from a pattern book and shipped to the site. I have pattern books dating back into the 1870s.

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Yes,for the era being discussed,you are correct. When the world entered the machine age (mid-later 1800,s) most millwork / bric brac was shop produced and ordered from a catalog . It was not always so,the trade Joiner was what we think of today as a finish carpenter. They carried a large selection of tools to hand cut the various profiles and execute the orders of classical architecture.

Gunston Hall ,built in the colonial era in Va. is an example of such hand work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunston_Hall
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Late 1850s was pretty much the machinery age.

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I just love the wood work in a lot of older houses. All to get ripped out sometimes when remodeling to a modern look, very sad deal. One builder I do work for makes all his own trim , cabinets. nice stuff like in a lot of older houses.
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The only hand tools were saws and hammers to fit stuff together.

All wood components and even lots of the built in cupboards, etc. would all be ordered from a pattern book and shipped to the site. I have pattern books dating back into the 1870s.

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Didn't realize that. Thought that came later. This place started in 1848, remodeled in 1858, then major renovations in 1872 taking 5 years to complete.
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A lot of the old stuff made on site with hand planes was simple bead, cove, stuff like that.
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No discredit to the craftsmanship, but it is amazing what you could order out of a book back then.

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This kinda dovetails with what we are discussing.

https://thedesignersassistant.com/tag/moulding-2/
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This kinda dovetails with what we are discussing.

https://thedesignersassistant.com/tag/moulding-2/
That was some good reading.
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As much time and effort put into millwork back then, I wish they put that into foundations and structural components.
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As much time and effort put into millwork back then, I wish they put that into foundations and structural components.
Majority of old houses around here have granite slab foundations. Framing and structural was what they were accustomed to at that time. Most old homes here are framed out of oak. Yes, some overspanning, but that's mostly in the old farm houses, not the Victorians, etc

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As much time and effort put into millwork back then, I wish they put that into foundations and structural components.
Complaining about something that has been around for 150 years?
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Turned out to be "Job security" for future generations.
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Complaining about something that has been around for 150 years?
No doubt. I know 10 year old homes that fell apart.

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Didn't realize that. Thought that came later. This place started in 1848, remodeled in 1858, then major renovations in 1872 taking 5 years to complete.
Torn a far amount that old stuff apart and put back together. Mostly Lake shore Drive area late 1800's mansions-homes and on, in Milwaukee.

Today it's held up as this magical craftsmanship .... It ain't all that, really. A few decades of paint or top coats covers a multitude of human fit not so perfect joints. Miter box and coping saws have been around long before the 1800's. They had similar problems we do today. Interesting when do renovation demo to see the 'fixes' and solutions. Plus the wide range of quality in craftsmanship. LOL Were hacks and butchers back then too. Production techniques like not bottoming the mortises >>> leaving behind chisel marks.

However they were masters at minimizing and filling. Especially the higher quality materials and finished.
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