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Old 08-22-2010, 12:27 PM   #1
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Gentlemen,

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/jo...l?ref=business

I take particular offense to the following statement concerning "qualifications":

"People with this kind of background are not uncommon in remodeling, probably because itís one of the dwindling number of mentally challenging careers that require almost nothing in the way of qualifications except a strong back, common sense and a willingness to work hard."

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Old 08-22-2010, 12:48 PM   #2
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Wow!

Kinda makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside..... I guess that must be my blood boiling!

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"People with this kind of background are not uncommon in remodeling, probably because itís one of the dwindling number of mentally challenging careers that require almost nothing in the way of qualifications except a strong back, common sense and a willingness to work hard."

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I think I'm glad to have a job that is often mentally challenging.

Taken in context, he's not insulting you or me. It's a fact that you can do well in this field without a college education or expensive tech school background. I enjoyed the article.
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seriously, don'tbe offended...he's actually right if you think about it. He's not referring to anyone inparticular. He's just saying there are more people with that background in the contractor field than others such as accounting,medical, law enforcement, etc.
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One ONLY is offended when they can PERSONALLY relate to said insult...


Just sayin'!
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One ONLY is offended when they can PERSONALLY relate to said insult...


Just sayin'!
BS.

The guy is a donkey and with a combination of subtle insinuation & outright offensive wide brushed painting of an entire industry has managed to insult me VERY MUCH, and I can't/don't "PERSONALLY relate to said insults" in the way you meant.

Maybe you missed it, but he plain as day basically said Construction/carpentry is an industry that is a magnet for all of the criminal, inept, and repulsive members of our civilization

That anyone who was unable to get into the "corporate world", through whatever number of reasons (such things as not having very good grades/getting caught up with misdeeds) can find a "2nd or 3rd chance" in this industry that basically takes in anyone with "a strong back, common sense and a willingness to work hard".

You don't have to be a Philosopher/Genius/Political Scientist/Economist/Psychologist/Humanist to know/recognize how in ONE article this monkey has managed to completely BUTCHER so many topics/issues...and in the end do a tremendous dis-service to an entire industry. An industry, mind you...that feeds his own degenerate azz!

My respect for the NY Times just took a huge ****** nose dive.
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Maybe you missed it, but he plain as day basically said Construction/carpentry is an industry that is a magnet for all of the criminal, inept, and repulsive members of our civilization
Disagree. What he did say is that it's an industry that allows those who don't fit the usual mold of, shall we say, the mass of sheep to succeed without completely submitting to sheepdom. At least that's the way I choose to read it.
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Gentlemen,

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/jo...l?ref=business

I take particular offense to the following statement concerning "qualifications":

"People with this kind of background are not uncommon in remodeling, probably because itís one of the dwindling number of mentally challenging careers that require almost nothing in the way of qualifications except a strong back, common sense and a willingness to work hard."

Your thoughts?
I take this as a complement, read it again.
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One ONLY is offended when they can PERSONALLY relate to said insult...


Just sayin'!
I would suggest you reconsider the possibility that there are reasons other than the only one you made mention of. Such as, in my instance, misreading the author's meaning. I more or less read into it that he was being insulting. After getting my computer to unfreeze where as I was able to actually open the link and read the article, I admit that I had it wrong when I read the OP and misinterpreted (for some reason I seem to be doing a lot of that lately). This wasn't insulting. The author was only telling it like it is.
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"People with this kind of background are not uncommon in remodeling, probably because it’s one of the dwindling number of mentally challenging careers that require almost nothing in the way of qualifications except a strong back, common sense and a willingness to work hard."


In my years of working in the field I find that common sense is not that common. It is a pretty rare find to get someone who is able to think on there feet and come up with a solution that will be feasible and workable.

All these people with their college educations couldn't do what we do because they don't have the mind to do it (of course there are some). And manual dexterity is not something that comes naturally and needs to be learned. Just like any other job.
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"People with this kind of background are not uncommon in remodeling, probably because itís one of the dwindling number of mentally challenging careers that require almost nothing in the way of qualifications except a strong back, common sense and a willingness to work hard."
As opposed to being a butt sucking by-line writer for the NY Times?
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[quote=Heritage;992945]BS.

The guy is a donkey and with a combination of subtle insinuation & outright offensive wide brushed painting of an entire industry has managed to insult me VERY MUCH, and I can't/don't "PERSONALLY relate to said insults" in the way you meant.

Maybe you missed it, but he plain as day basically said Construction/carpentry is an industry that is a magnet for all of the criminal, inept, and repulsive members of our civilization

That anyone who was unable to get into the "corporate world", through whatever number of reasons (such things as not having very good grades/getting caught up with misdeeds) can find a "2nd or 3rd chance" in this industry that basically takes in anyone with "a strong back, common sense and a willingness to work hard".

You don't have to be a Philosopher/Genius/Political Scientist/Economist/Psychologist/Humanist to know/recognize how in ONE article this monkey has managed to completely BUTCHER so many topics/issues...and in the end do a tremendous dis-service to an entire industry. An industry, mind you...that feeds his own degenerate azz!

Thank you for your insight.
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I have to say that I really don't see the point of the article. The writer is 'claiming' that hard physical work is a good distraction. What the real moral of his story is that some people don't take their problems with them to work.

I personally found the article insulting to contractors. He's telling everybody construction was the place for him because he was a screwup.

Well guess what Eric Smith (and Caroline Yang of the NY Times), I left the corporate world to work as a contractor and I also have a bachelor's degree in business management. I was in the National Honor Society in high school and was a straight A student.

I think this article really does a disservice to contractors because it's painting contractors in a bad light. Maybe there should be some more positive articles written about contracting instead.
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It's the NY Times, what else do you expect?
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If Rupert Murdock owns the NY Times, that would explain a lot.
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any of you guys read this book?
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