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Old 08-11-2012, 03:28 AM   #21
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dont care for the post.
If people ask a question you dont want to respond to- heres an idea- dont respond. too many kids fail in high school because they are too embarrassed to ask questions for fear of humiliation.
whether you choose to hate the haters or love the haters (or hate the lovers) is your own choice I'd say...there's enough regulation in this business anyway.
I appreciate the feedback on the post. First off, I would like to reiterate this.

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I am not a Moderator, nor in any way affiliated with Contractortalk.com, so these do not represent the Official Rules of Contractortalk.com, but are merely my observations from seeing alot of newbies get scorched on here and never come back.

While it is true (perhaps) that there are no stupid questions, there are some questions that will betray an individuals' lack of ability to perform a certain task. Since most everyone here has at least some professional pride, it is likely that they will point out the fact that perhaps they are a bit under-qualified. As I stated in the OP, learning about a new aspect of the trade is admirably, but one must go about it the proper way. This forum was not designed (I don't think, at any rate) to take the place of proper training and education.

While I have attempted to explain why some flaming of newbies occurs, and how to avoid it, that in no way means that I condone or agree with that type of behavior. But the fact remains, it does happen.
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Old 08-11-2012, 03:37 AM   #22
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I see new posters come on here and ask what seems like a simple question, and get back either a smart-ass answer, or a standard, "you're not qualified, go hire a professional," type of response. This generally leaves the poster a bit non-plused as to why there are over a million posts on this site, but they can't seem to get a simple answer to a (seemingly) simple question. Hopefully I can explain.

First of all, this is not a DIY site. There is, of course, nothing wrong with those types of sites, but this is not one of them. Most of the posters here are professionals, who have a basic knowledge of the construction trade. What is discussed is not so much the basic how-to of building, but the details, if that makes any sense. Most of the posts that get hammered usually fall into one of three basic catagories.

1-A broad sweeping 'how do I do this' type of question.

2-A structural question.

3-A question that should be answered using the code book.

Some examples.

A general question:---If you come and ask how to frame a hip roof, you will not get much help. Here is why. It's too general. There have been dozens of very excellent books written on the subject. If you are serious about learning the trade, there are standard text-books for every aspect of the building trades that are used by Apprentice Training Organizations. They are not cheap, but that is the best way to expand your technical knowledge of a subject. Besides, the answer would never fit in one post, anyway. We would have to write a book. If you were to ask about different framers methods of bracing a gable-end truss, for example, you would get a lively discussion. See the difference? One shows a complete lack of basic building skills, and one is a subject that professionals would sit around and discuss.

A structural question:---If you ask 'Can I use a 2"x10" for a header in bearing wall? It's a 5' opening', again, you will get the same reponse. There are such things as prescriptive codes. If you don't know where to find a span table, or how to read one, then, yeah, you probably shouldn't be doing the work. If there is no prescriptive code for your situation, THEN YOU NEED TO GET IT ENGINEERED. You don't want a bunch of online yay-hoos armchair engineering your project, anyway.

A code question:---These are the the worst. It goes something like this; "I have an outbuilding 400' from the main house. There are 10 lights, 3 fans, and an electric garage door. I was thinking #10? Or maybe should I go with 1/0?" There are more problems with this post than there are words in it. Asking this type of question brilliantly displays why you truly have no business tackling this project. The answer to this question IS IN THE CODE BOOK. If you can't figure it out from the code book, THEN YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO DO THIS JOB. If, on the other hand, you are expecting someone here to do your load calc for you, well that's not going to happen. We don't give free online design service. Obviously, a question about interpreting the code, or even a request for a code reference, would be fine.

Hope this helps some of you out.

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It should be required to read this in the registration process...just saying.

I might have wound up posting some really dumb question like one of this outlined in the quoted post above had I not read that.

Let's me know for the time being this website is going to be for reference purposes only until I learn more.

Nice post.
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:48 PM   #25
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It should be required to read this in the registration process...just saying.

I might have wound up posting some really dumb question like one of this outlined in the quoted post above had I not read that.

Let's me know for the time being this website is going to be for reference purposes only until I learn more.

Nice post.
This should be required to read in the registration process as well.

http://www.contractortalk.com/f8/pri...estions-27866/
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I have many many years of experience in general contracting and probably
would have not registered here for a bunch of DIY threads.
Not because I am so high and mighty or, because, I am against Doing it
Yourself to save a buck. But, because I came here thinking I would learn
from other professionals and add My input where I can. If that changed to
Homeowners asking if Their contractor did x thing right/wrong I would be
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I'm confused here..... what is the live load verse the dead load in a pyramid????

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My name is Cameron, I'm a union carpenter currently working in SF interested in getting my General Contracting License. Im sick of getting payed the same as Joe Blow that doesn't have the experience that I do.

I'm here to get some input and ideas from some professionals
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My name is Cameron, I'm a union carpenter currently working in SF interested in getting my General Contracting License. Im sick of getting payed the same as Joe Blow that doesn't have the experience that I do.

I'm here to get some input and ideas from some professionals
You may want to edit your post as union carpenters are not well received here In fact they are a bit hated
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If you didn't get it, I hate being ran by a union. I want to start my own gig

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Hello all ! I was wondering if anyone has a suggestion for an iPhone app that is great for material/ cost calculation? I've seen 1 or 2 but there are no reviews and I don't trust that!
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Do you really think this is the appropriate thread for this question? Google Contractortalk iphone apps. That will get you where you need to be.

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Iím sure youíll get the hang of it. Just ask the same question in three different threads within three minutes of each other and someone willÖ Never mind Ė I see youíve already done that

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Seems you sir, are painting with a very wide brush.
Everyone doesent think or write alike although
You have a lot of good points.
Admit: i reread/ and you have very good points
I have noticed(been reading for years) many H.O.
Posing as contractors trying to save a buck with free
Advice etc.. I really like this site and wouldnt want any new actuall contractors to misread your post though!
(so new guys read closely)

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The first time I can here and ask a question, I got some crap. I didn't come back for a while. I understand why I got crap, after being here for a bit. I mostly do remodeling so I'm all over the place in here. I have gotten some pro advise here. I don't really trust a lot of the diy. Sometimes I watch diy on TV and I'm like " are you crazy, you can't do that". I would like to thank all here, for their knowledge, time, and effort.
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I do have a question. I am a contractor. I normally do residential gutters. I am bidding a job for commercial gutters and was actually looking up pricing differences. That's how I stumbled across this forum. Is it inappropriate to ask for help to make sure I am getting it right?


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I do have a question. I am a contractor. I normally do residential gutters. I am bidding a job for commercial gutters and was actually looking up pricing differences. That's how I stumbled across this forum. Is it inappropriate to ask for help to make sure I am getting it right?

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The answer is yes and no.
Yes, you can ask if the way you build your pricing structure will work and be profitable. Some here might even help you refine it.

No, because you can't ask direct pricing questions.
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My questions would have been about things like differences in materials and things of that nature. Its a big bid and it is with a large company that I hope will help to expand my business and I want it to be just right. But I also want to make sure that I am using this forum the way it is deigned to be used. Thanks!

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