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Old 06-07-2012, 01:26 PM   #1
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I see new posters come on here and ask what seems like a simple question, and get back either a smart-ass answer, or a standard, "you're not qualified, go hire a professional," type of response. This generally leaves the poster a bit non-plused as to why there are over a million posts on this site, but they can't seem to get a simple answer to a (seemingly) simple question. Hopefully I can explain.

First of all, this is not a DIY site. There is, of course, nothing wrong with those types of sites, but this is not one of them. Most of the posters here are professionals, who have a basic knowledge of the construction trade. What is discussed is not so much the basic how-to of building, but the details, if that makes any sense. Most of the posts that get hammered usually fall into one of three basic catagories.

1-A broad sweeping 'how do I do this' type of question.

2-A structural question.

3-A question that should be answered using the code book.

Some examples.

A general question:---If you come and ask how to frame a hip roof, you will not get much help. Here is why. It's too general. There have been dozens of very excellent books written on the subject. If you are serious about learning the trade, there are standard text-books for every aspect of the building trades that are used by Apprentice Training Organizations. They are not cheap, but that is the best way to expand your technical knowledge of a subject. Besides, the answer would never fit in one post, anyway. We would have to write a book. If you were to ask about different framers methods of bracing a gable-end truss, for example, you would get a lively discussion. See the difference? One shows a complete lack of basic building skills, and one is a subject that professionals would sit around and discuss.

A structural question:---If you ask 'Can I use a 2"x10" for a header in bearing wall? It's a 5' opening', again, you will get the same reponse. There are such things as prescriptive codes. If you don't know where to find a span table, or how to read one, then, yeah, you probably shouldn't be doing the work. If there is no prescriptive code for your situation, THEN YOU NEED TO GET IT ENGINEERED. You don't want a bunch of online yay-hoos armchair engineering your project, anyway.

A code question:---These are the the worst. It goes something like this; "I have an outbuilding 400' from the main house. There are 10 lights, 3 fans, and an electric garage door. I was thinking #10? Or maybe should I go with 1/0?" There are more problems with this post than there are words in it. Asking this type of question brilliantly displays why you truly have no business tackling this project. The answer to this question IS IN THE CODE BOOK. If you can't figure it out from the code book, THEN YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO DO THIS JOB. If, on the other hand, you are expecting someone here to do your load calc for you, well that's not going to happen. We don't give free online design service. Obviously, a question about interpreting the code, or even a request for a code reference, would be fine.

Hope this helps some of you out.

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Old 06-07-2012, 02:09 PM   #2
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You missed the all time #1 first post. Probably wins in a landslide.

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Old 06-07-2012, 03:03 PM   #4
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I honestly don't mind the questions, repeating things is actually a good habit and good conversation. After all, most everything on here is repeated.

What I hate is when they ask a question and never return to follow up after people take time to help.
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Got a little blasted the other day and came on here and deleted my post. Can't remember what I didn't like about it. Anyway, I just reposted it.

P.S. I am not a Moderator, nor in any way affiliated with Contractortalk.com, so these do not represent the Official Rules of Contractortalk.com, but are merely my observations from seeing alot of newbies get scorched and here and never come back.
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Old 06-09-2012, 06:08 PM   #6
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I think it woulc be a good idea to keep this on the banner head of leep re-posting it so all the newbies understand that you are not all jerks
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Got a little blasted the other day and came on here and deleted my post. Can't remember what I didn't like about it. Anyway, I just reposted it.

P.S. I am not a Moderator, nor in any way affiliated with Contractortalk.com, so these do not represent the Official Rules of Contractortalk.com, but are merely my observations from seeing alot of newbies get scorched and here and never come back.
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I think it woulc be a good idea to keep this on the banner head of leep re-posting it so all the newbies understand that you are not all jerks
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Good post, I vote sticky

ATC... What depth of footer do I need for a 120 cubit pyramid?
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:39 AM   #10
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Thanx for the props, TQ.

And I'm thinking maybe a couple million pounds of granite blocks should do the trick on those footings.
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Good post, I vote sticky

ATC... What depth of footer do I need for a 120 cubit pyramid?
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and can I buy them at home depot or lowes?
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Got a little blasted the other day and came on here and deleted my post. Can't remember what I didn't like about it. Anyway, I just reposted it.

P.S. I am not a Moderator, nor in any way affiliated with Contractortalk.com, so these do not represent the Official Rules of Contractortalk.com, but are merely my observations from seeing alot of newbies get scorched and here and never come back.
ATC, you 100% right and the reason these people don't come back because they get a whiff of reality and understand they in the wrong business or the wrong forum and they go back flipping burgers or find another forum where people deal with theirs none sense or get impressed with BS they promote, or they just can't handle the truth.

This is a Professional Contractor forum, most here have decades under theirs belt, and we pretty much can tell the difference who is trying to learn, who is serious and need help, who is taking to much on themselves and can't handle the job and they will end up with a huge problem... or the outcome will not be in theirs favor, not to mention someone could get hurt, not to mention they shouldn't be here in the first place asking this type of questions.

For the most part, 95% of questions are answered, and these questions answered in the same manner or respect the question or problem is presented... Questions which make no sense at all , or a Professional contractor would never ask and go to the right source for information, they will get a straight forward answer, of course depends on the mood someone is in... Some will give a sarcastic remark, some will answer it if they feel like it... some will shut it down because they know it shouldn't be asked... some will have a little fun with it, in hopes the person will understand they shouldn't be asking such questions, etc

Like you said or someone else mentioned here, there is a huge difference the way a question is being presented, what is being asked and how is being asked.

On the general note most here have a great sense of humor, and we just like a big happy family, we come here and share things, we know when to have some fun and we know when to be serious So when someone comes and they cannot handle straight forward answer, or they cannot handle a little criticism, or someone who is making a personal issue just because someone didn't agree with them... this people don't return because they can't handle the truth, or they're to big for theirs ego, or they just have more serious issues in life... not to mention who needs people like this anyway... I wouldn't give someone like this the time of day and one thing I learned you cannot help someone who is not willing to help themselves.
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Well done A.T.C.! Stickied.
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i appreciatte the comment

i`m on here to relate to other contractors.
i`m fairly successful as a contractor in most eyes .
i always have work
i`m congenial( spelled right?)
i`m honest
i`m good with my workers

but i`m missing some key ingrediants
i`m not doing close to as well as i feel i should be doing.
you guys hit on some awsome topics here.
i even got slightly slammed by oconomowoc , and a few others on a topic about finding good help.
i was in too much in a rush to contribute, and contradicted myself
not offense taken

you know as a business owner , you learn real quick that , just because your real good at something ( carpentry / electric/a/c/plumbing.. etc)
it doesn`t mean you`ll be good at the business of that area of expertise.
a good business man can make almost any business work
but a good craftsman , can not necessarily make a business run good
thats where , after 25 years of being in the business , i`m still having problems. the business of part.

thanks for the input
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Seems to be a good place for skilled people to share information and run idea's by other like minded people.
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dont care for the post.
If people ask a question you dont want to respond to- heres an idea- dont respond. too many kids fail in high school because they are too embarrassed to ask questions for fear of humiliation.
whether you choose to hate the haters or love the haters (or hate the lovers) is your own choice I'd say...there's enough regulation in this business anyway.
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dont care for the post.
If people ask a question you dont want to respond to- heres an idea- dont respond. too many kids fail in high school because they are too embarrassed to ask questions for fear of humiliation.
whether you choose to hate the haters or love the haters (or hate the lovers) is your own choice I'd say...there's enough regulation in this business anyway.
You dont like the OPs post?
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dont care for the post.
If people ask a question you dont want to respond to- heres an idea- dont respond. too many kids fail in high school because they are too embarrassed to ask questions for fear of humiliation.
whether you choose to hate the haters or love the haters (or hate the lovers) is your own choice I'd say...there's enough regulation in this business anyway.
Huh??

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