New EPA Lead Paint Rule Snags 1st Victim - Contractor Fined $63,000 By Epa.

Tom Struble

i saw the pamphlet at sherwin also and i hear the lead abatement done is subject to inspection

ChrWright

I thought I'd bump this thread up since it will be affecting all of us sooner than later.

Our local NARI chapter is bringing in an EPA training group to our next monthly meeting to discuss the ins and outs of the new legislation and everything involved in certifying. We are also putting together a group training at a discounted rate--both the basic cert and the trainer's cert (so you can train and certify your own people.)

Anyone local (the Indianapolis area) is welcome to come to this meeting next month. Here's the info from the NARI Indy website:

"06/11/2009 11:30 AM
To be held at:
Scottish Rite Cathedral, Near downtown Indianapolis


General Meeting
EPA Lead Training
This could be the MOST important meeting you attend all year. The EPA is requiring new practices when working on any project that deals with lead. Do you have the training needed? NO! In fact, you are not to use ANY training you’ve had in the past. The information at this meeting will be from a licensed EPA trainer. More information will be presented about NARI group training with DISCOUNTS for NARI members."

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JamesKB2

Thanks for the bump, I have heard about this, some are scared, some are saying B.S., but all persons in remod will have to start using the notification method. I use it now, but most of my work is post '78. However, I do it anyway, so there's no question about compliance (or liability). Believe it or not, the majority of customers roll their eyes about it, have an attitude similar to ours of "what next, a form to breath?" and sign it. I do act pro about it, say it is a serious matter in some instances, and move on. I've had three jobs where I was uncertain of age and had a lead test done JUST TO BE SURE. All of them came back negative.

You might get away with non compliance time and time again, but it only takes once to ruin or seriously damage your business or reputation. I live in an area where most people are "common sense" and self sufficient, but in your high paranoia, litigious areas, I bet some are just waiting for the "wrong guy" to happen by and nail him....

I'm not certified, actually, but will be working towards that so I am compliant. Thanks again for moving this up in rotation.

ChrWright

I've only scanned the new regs but as I understand it--if you remodel a house built prior to 1978, you're going to have to have someone on site who is certified.

I believe you'll also have to get your firm registered, and they have up to 90 days to review your application and respond. The point being--I'd line up your training and applications this year, before they get flooded with last minute paperwork after the first of the year.

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rbsremodeling

They have already put it into affect here for government funded rehabs. It will be in full effect next year.

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JonM

In Connecticut we can get certified here

http://www.ct.gov/dph/cwp/view.asp?a=3140&q=387580

Here are some prices for one of the above mentioned

http://www.chem-scope.com/chem03/chem03frame.htm

monkey

I watched my old boss paint a garage window with lead paint in 92 or so.
HO came out with an old paint can and asked if we could use it.
Boss said "do you have young Kids in here" "No" < They were an older couple. Bossman said sure it will be nice to use "real" paint again.

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kubie

i just took the lead safe class the blue book is for landlords, renters ect, the gray/green book is for everyone else just cuz you take the lead safe class, you still cant remove any lead paint(now its 2 sq ft....2110 it will be 6 sq ft) only a lead abaitment worker can remove lead paint and they still ant remove anything without a supervisor you need to take all the classes and pas a state test to be a supervisor.


lead op-out form for homeowners with no child or preg woman or any home that doesnt have a child under 6 visiting for a certian time/day/week/year


Homeowner opt-out form


Waiver for lead safe practices ____I have received a copy of the Renovate Right pamphlet informing me of the potential risk of the lead hazard exposure from the renovation activity to be performed in my dwelling unit. I received this pamphlet before work began. ___A. I confirm that I own and live in this property, and that no child under the age of 6 years old resides here, that no pregnant woman resides here, and that the property is not a child-occupied facility. Also no child visits regularly by the same child under the age of 6 on two different days during any given week, for at least 6 hours each day, provided the visits total at least 60 hours annually. If box A is checked, check either box B or C, but not both. ___B. I request that the renovation firm use the lead safe work practices required by the EPA ___C. I understand that the renovation firm will not be required to use the lead safe work practices required by the EPA and hereby waive the renovator on any liability that may occur from lead dust that may enter my dwelling. I fully understand the health risks involved in removing lead painted objects or surfaces. __________________________________________________ ______________ Homeowner(s) _____________________ Date

Ed the Roofer

Boy, I bet they have second thoughts about signing that waiver if they read it through. It sounds like any resident will succumb to impending doom when having that work done.

Ed

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Cdat

What happened to your middle of the road outlook in life? Hurts when it hits home, huh?

Mike Finley

Are you drunk or stoned or fall off the bi-polar meds when you wrote that?

It makes about as much sense either way.

Aframe

for those looking for training programs hope this helps.


http://cfpub.epa.gov/flpp/search.cfm..._Type=training

jaros bros.

Providing a homeowner with a EPA brochure is nothing new. That has been law for as long as I remember, but I'm only 30. Most homeowners brush the warnings aside, even joking about it. It's not so much a problem with adults, but with kids it can cause major developmental problems. It's nothing to take lightly. When ever a child goes to the doctor for a cold or flu, they have to check for lead poisoning too. It's a standard procedure in the medical field. It's also a big liability for contractors that have to deal with it.

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BMAN

The sad part about this is that the average homeowner will not be able to afford the work to be done using lead safe practices. To wet sand the exterior of a house by hand will take a month adding thousands to the job. We are avoiding work in the city and staying in the suburbs because of this. Its a shame that the only people working on city homes will be scabs and governement subsidized type contractors. The lead law that our city passed was designed to help control landlords but ends up tying the hands of contractors.

Paulie

I have been a licensed lead abatement supervisor for years. I didn't renew my licence this time around because of insurance. If you do lead work around here it's 5,000 to your insurance agent. So my question is, if you do a remodel on a house built prior 78' it's presumed lead, do you have to carry hazardous material insurance?

kubie

i was told by one of the instructors, who has been removing lead paint for 15 yrs, is that he just uses his general ins for the lead paint removal. he doesnt do alot of work in the lead paint area so his ins doesnt ask him to have additional ins. could be a problem if anyone ever gets sick though

Paulie

whoops

Paulie

Nope that won't fly here in MI. Lead abatement contractors have to carry insurance to cover hazardous materials. There are contractors here that if they don't get the bid they will check to see if your covered. If not the state will remove you from the job! So that's were my question comes from, if the state is forcing you to become licensed are they going to force you to carry the insurance? I can hear the insurance agents licking their chops already!

davitk