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Old 02-11-2018, 10:46 AM   #121
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^^^ I had opportunity to live in a couple systems (communism/capitalism) and a couple system of values. And was in touch with Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Islam all life, and even today I'm in contact with people of all 3 religion from there. So you guys here have a set system of values that is in work for century and that is not case where I'm from and me and other people from there see things far deeper then you.
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Old 02-11-2018, 10:48 AM   #122
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^^^ I had opportunity to live in a couple systems (communism/capitalism) and a couple system of values. And was in touch with Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Islam all life, and even today I'm in contact with people of all 3 religion from there. So you guys here have a set system of values that is in work for century and that is not case where I'm from and me and other people from there see things far deeper then you.
There's something to what you're saying. Americans will certainly tend toward bumper sticker philosophies, outlooks. However, folks from EE countries, in my limited experience, seem to be similar in that they simply repeat whatever is catchy. . . But, what's catchy to them is certainly more thoughtful than what an average American might be exposed to.

You'll notice in your post a subtle allusion to the concept of collective mind: whether American values are a couple centuries in practice or a millennium in practice has no bearing on the individual unless they have access to some bogeyman, the collective mind.
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Nope. Alot of eastern Europeans just north of me... Them guys can scrap.
He comes from a hard part of the world. The locals here that mess with most whites find out they don't mess with those guys..
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He speaks English. I don't have a problem but then I don't live in white America.
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Gee, who would have guessed Tipi is a Unlicensed CL hack?

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Lol man go out of his way to bold, underline and red word unlicensed. This is why I visit this forum. Wonder how much of education you have? Like 3 years of elementary and 8 hours of licencing school?
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Lol man go out of his way to bold, underline and red word unlicensed. This is why I visit this forum. Wonder how much of education you have? Like 3 years of elementary and 8 hours of licencing school?
Nope, I completed High School did some college and figured it wasn't for me. I worked for a few contractors over the next couple of summers while working at several different retailers. I then landed a job at the new Sears Hardware in town. After less than a year I was promoted Dept Manager becoming the youngest manager in Sear Hardware history. At 19 (23 years ago) I was co managing one of the busiest stores in the region. I was making $32K a year plus bonus while most of my friends that were getting out of college were making about $25K.

After that I went over to Home Depot. Worked there for nearly two years and went from pushing carts in the lot (the only job opening they had when I applied) to being a Dept Manager (asst. store manager) in less than 9 months.

After nearly 2 years I saw the writing on the wall and with a family on the way decided to get a salaried desk job. Without a college degree it wasn't going to be easy. I landed a job through a temp agency with a tech company and in less than two years was being flown all over the country to train our client's corporate level one troubleshooting teams (GAP, Disney, LL Bean..) and working with the our developers and engineers to resolve hardware problems on trouble equipment in the field. After 5 years of that, I finally hit the ceiling without a degree. People I hired were becoming my managers. So I decided to go into business for myself.

While searching for the right sector for me I moonlighted as a marketing/graphic artist. One of my clients owned a low voltage electrical contracting company. To supplement income I would work for him a few days a week. It worked out so well he offered me a stake in the company. For nearly 6 years we took a two man operation to a 12 man operation covering most of the Chicago area. We had 5 vans running and handled all of Circuit Cities Home Theater and TV installations. We had clients like Wrigley Field, Murphy's Bleechers and took care of many of the Chicago White Sox Staff and team as well as many of the Chicago Fire players and staff.

After not agreeing with the way my partner was running the company and with the looming housing crash I had him buy me out and I started Tried and True Services with my brother. 9 years later I have 2 employees (bringing on a third) and clear nearly a million in sales a year. I know that's not much but for a small outfit, but it's not to shabby. We are planning on buying our first investment property this year.

I am fully LICENSED and insured and don't have to advertise on CL to get clients to pay me top dollar. Most of the homes we work on are over $450k. I work 90% in my home town and my commute is rarely more than 10 minutes. So yeah, I underlined UNLICENSED as without it you are part of the problem in our industry. Play by the rules before crying about your problems you created by not playing by them.
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^^^ He's got a dang good point. ^^^

We got illegals in CO putting the good and honest LEGAL guys out of work. It really creates a lot of hatred when dishonest people steal away American businesses and jobs.

But how do you stop it when the government hands out massive freebies to illegals? Maybe we need vigilantes and some rope.

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So yeah, I underlined UNLICENSED as without it you are part of the problem in our industry.
I disagree. The problem is the pro-licensing crowd and inept consumers. You, and the vast majority of Americans, can't hack the competition launched by "the Mexicans." Rather than altering your behavior, altering your work ethic to compete with them, you glorify the oppressive licensing schemes. You hate freedom because you can't cope with it against hardcore guys-- You're the snowflakes of building trades using licensing to construct a safe space.

Then, you incompetents get together and convince citizens incompetent at the practice of living that they need to be protected by government.

Yeah; he's a CL hack, but someone wanted his service, so get your nose out of their business, comrade.

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You are clueless. And it's my guess YOU are probably an illegal hack as well.

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I disagree. The problem is the pro-licensing crowd and inept consumers. You, and the vast majority of Americans, can't hack the competition launched by "the Mexicans." Rather than altering your behavior, altering your work ethic to compete with them, you glorify the oppressive licensing schemes. You hate freedom because you can't cope with it against hardcore guys-- You're the snowflakes of building trades using licensing to construct a safe space.

Then, you incompetents get together and convince citizens incompetent at the practice of living that they need to be protected by government.

Yeah; he's a CL hack, but someone wanted his service, so get your nose out of their business, comrade.
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You are clueless. And it's my guess YOU are probably an illegal hack as well.
That's all you got. However, even the regulation loving Obama administration came out with a report on the oppression created by this theft of liberty.

And, no. I am licensed. I jumped through the hoops built by my lazy, incompetent countrymen. I wouldn't be so passionate about the subject if I didn't know what a crime it is.

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That's all you got. However, even the regulation loving Obama administration came out with a report on the oppression created by this theft of liberty.

And, no. I am licensed. I jumped through the hoops built by my lazy, incompetent countrymen. I wouldn't be so passionate about the subject if I didn't know what a crime it is.
Is that all I got? No.

But that's all the time I'll waste on your drivel. Later, junior.
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Is that all I got? No.

But that's all the time I'll waste on your drivel. Later, junior.
See ya, snowflake.

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You are clueless. And it's my guess YOU are probably an illegal hack as well.
Now, now. No need to be casting nasturtiums. In some ways, this is similar to the pricing threads we all love to hate.

It's all about context. While I agree that in states that require licensing, that's what you ought to be doing, I disagree with the concept across the board. My state of PA has no contractor, electrical or plumbing licensing, yet I've never seen any statistics proving that the work done here is inferior to that done in the places that do. Nor is there a higher rate of scamming/dishonest practices.

We are required to get permits for our jobs. Permitted jobs require inspections, and those inspections ensure that the work meets minimum standards. Licensing alone doesn't do that--only the same permitting and inspections does.

So where's the ultimate logic that being licensed ensures quality work?
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Now, now. No need to be casting nasturtiums. In some ways, this is similar to the pricing threads we all love to hate.

It's all about context. While I agree that in states that require licensing, that's what you ought to be doing, I disagree with the concept across the board. My state of PA has no contractor, electrical or plumbing licensing, yet I've never seen any statistics proving that the work done here is inferior to that done in the places that do. Nor is there a higher rate of scamming/dishonest practices.

We are required to get permits for our jobs. Permitted jobs require inspections, and those inspections ensure that the work meets minimum standards. Licensing alone doesn't do that--only the same permitting and inspections does.

So where's the ultimate logic that being licensed ensures quality work?
I'm with Tin on this.
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Now, now. No need to be casting nasturtiums. In some ways, this is similar to the pricing threads we all love to hate.

It's all about context. While I agree that in states that require licensing, that's what you ought to be doing, I disagree with the concept across the board. My state of PA has no contractor, electrical or plumbing licensing, yet I've never seen any statistics proving that the work done here is inferior to that done in the places that do. Nor is there a higher rate of scamming/dishonest practices.

We are required to get permits for our jobs. Permitted jobs require inspections, and those inspections ensure that the work meets minimum standards. Licensing alone doesn't do that--only the same permitting and inspections does.

So where's the ultimate logic that being licensed ensures quality work?
Plumbing electrical and HVAC are really hard to get licensed for in MI. Takes 8 years each and that’s if you do everything by the book beginning to end. Every one of those types of contractors I’ve hired over the years have been hacks.
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Plumbing electrical and HVAC are really hard to get licensed for in MI. Takes 8 years each and that’s if you do everything by the book beginning to end. Every one of those types of contractors I’ve hired over the years have been hacks.
Maybe its where you are at.

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There are scammers and hacks in every profession. Every profession. There are tons of mediocre in every profession. Then there are those who excel in every profession. It is up to each individual in my opinion to determine who is who.
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Maybe its where you are at.

I've always said I've been blessed by having some of the best skilled trades on the planet.
Maybe. Or maybe my expectations are too high.

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