Illegal Labor In Construction

Cole

Just a little poll.


Be aware other people can see your votes.

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Eric K

I was working in a Hilton Hotel at the Dulles airport in D.C. and about 10% of the workers spoke English. Everyone else was Mexicans. and I guarentee that most were illegals.

Teetorbilt

Where else could illegal's march and rally? Any other country would have dropped a net over the whole contingency while they had the chance.

Being part Lakota, Cherokee and Blackfeet, my viewpoint may be a little broader.

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snapper21

Those 10% have now quit, not because they "dont want to do the work" but because they're tired of....... well....

Mouldings&More

I would say yes, but it is not there fault. If I could go to another country and make what they make I would not want to be looked down upon. I do how ever hate losing a job because I have all insured and legal employees. What happens if your workers are caught not having there papers? Is there repercussions to the business owner?

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Melissa

I used to be a cocktail server at a Mexican restaurant 10 years ago, and most of the staff had 2 names- their real names and the names that were on their ss card- a cousins or a fake card.


But as far as the construction industry being reliant on illegal labor? I don't know. We're not reliant on it. So I guess it's a no. But I know someone in a different trade- concrete- who uses day laoborers and even has a regular helper that isn't legal. He got deported once and then swam back over on a surf board. Anyway, but this person pays in for workmans comp and has insurance and pays this guy well- $10/hr. I think it's just easier for him to pick up day laborers, because he can't find any white guys willing to do it- ETA: and maybe this is because they've (the illegals) given it a bad image and brought the wages down...

Woz the Painter

If you went to most other countries to work illegally, you'd most likely be in jail or would have been deported back to your country of origin. As far as employing illegals in this country, there are laws that provide I believe, a ten thousand dollar fine per illegal caught, and after x amount of times imprisonment of the employer. However "W" and his corporate henchman won't enforce these laws because it might eat into their bottom line.

1over2

I have not had an American call for a masonry job in 3 years.

JustaFramer

Let it be heard I want the them to Know I Know that they Know. They claim that the price of house will go up if they leave. Leave and take take you mexican flag hard hats with you because all I see when I see one is a portable toilet.

donb1959

Lets see, I'm going to pretend for a moment I'm a Mexican with a family.

On this side of the fence I have to work a month to afford a chicken, on the other side of the fence I've heard there are stores with entire aisles dedicated to nothing but dog food, and the meat counter is a mile long. Now, the question is do I crawl through the gapeing hole in the fence to the other side....or no?

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nadonailer

Well duh - of course every one will run to the greener grass... that doesn't make it right, legal, ethical or moral. Laws are laws, borders are borders. They need to reform their own country, not run to ours. They don't have the guts (or the guns)

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JustaFramer

December 12, 2002 - NAFTA, Free Trade, and Mexico's Chicken Farmers

In January 1994, Canada, the United States and Mexico launched the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), a landmark trade pact that created a giant free trade zone from Canada to Mexico. Under NAFTA, Mexico’s tariffs on many American farm products will be eliminated beginning in 2003.

In a December, 1, 2002, Washington Post article, “Mexican Farmers Cry Foul Over NAFTA’s Effect on Chicken Tariff,” writers Mary Jordan and Kevin Sullivan look at the looming difficulties facing Mexican chicken farmers. On January 1, 2003, the Mexican tariff on U.S. chicken will drop from 49% to 0. Mexicans fear that their markets will be flooded with U.S. chickens, which will be sold at approximately half the price of Mexican chicken due to U.S. governmental subsidies. Mexicans fear that millions of small farmers will be put out of business.

Julio Carmen Salitorres has worked on a chicken farm in Mexico for the past ten years: "We want to keep working, but who knows if we'll be able to . . . We hope our little farms don't disappear."

In response to complaints of Mexican farmers against artificially low-priced U.S. food products, Mexican President Vincente Fox announced a $10 billion aid program to the agricultural sector; however, analysts say that after the elimination of tariffs, the aid program will be insufficient to solve the problems facing the approximately 25 million people who make up the rural population of Mexico.

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http://www.educationforjustice.org/b...icle/3091.html

Don't play that card Mercados in mexico are barren.
They are a Trojan Horse wake up. Those who don't remember the past or that the mexican military is hosting the chinese military are doomed to repeat it.

erik edlund

Hey, Justa,

I've wanted to talk with you, (through Nathan). I live in Redmond, finish carp, and I understand the problem. Would you hire me at $16-$25/hr, or hire an illegal at $10/hr for the contract? I know I'll do the work to American industry standards, even more and better for high-end, and always do it WELL.

The bite is the bottom line. What, ultimately, do we give our clients? It's your name, and my reputation on your name, in the industry, on the final work. Is it worth it to pay more for dedicated quality, or sacrifice your $$$ and rep for production?

My Take: Hire Americans...

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JustaFramer

I would hire a legal qualified individual for family wages. I lost a remodel to a busy schedule. But the client has bought in to 7 Ace Hardware chains and has work on those project in a soon as three months. He has high standards and will pay for those standards.

I am on strike with lowball GC's and developers.

Bone Saw

since we border mexico and canada to our south and north, lets say for example you wanted to travel to peru or thailand or brazil, or isreal illegally, you would have to travel by plane right? right! In order to board a plane heading to one of these destinations you will need a boarding pass and a passport, in order to have a boarding pass and a passport you will need an identity and citizenship, the planes manifest roster will be processed through huge supercomputer files and profiles and if who you claim to be doesn't exist and/or so much as makes a "bleep on the scope" you'll likely be arrested. Assuming you make it on the plane and it reaches it's destination you will not get past customs without a visa, in order to have a visa you will need to apply at least a month in advance providing photos, passport and detailed application further verifying your identity and that of friends and relatives and where your going, for how long and why including address and/or phone contacts at destination. So lets say you make it on the plane, you reach your destination and you don't have a visa and/or you are arested and detained by a forign customs officer. YOU ARE SCREWED!!! Yet you can reach our shores by makeshift '57 chevy sailbarge, walk the dessert, by truck and all we do is rip a 9 year old boy from his father and send him home, then let 10milion others have amnesty at our expence. our federal government is so screwed up it is up us at the local and county level to police this country, big brother is just another big buisness FCKING US ALL UP THE A$$!!!

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King of Crown

This is a loaded poll.

Of course. Any reliance on anything illegal is too much.

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Bone Saw

King, as you know from other postings, I have nothing against the plight of illegals, mexicans, latinos or anyone, I am not a racist nor do I look down on anyone searching for a better life. It is our joke of a secure boarder, immigration policy enforcement and those that pander at the expence of others using illegal immigration to do so that I have a problem with... That being said, you seem to be quite an advocate for illegal aliens, I have to ask are you an Illegal Alien???

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pwrpapa

Us Americans need to go on strike an show these stupid law makers who really pays the bills in this country. Let's fire all the politicians and hire illegal's to replace them at 1/4 the price.
Between shipping our jobs overseas and shipping low wage jobs into this country, It isn't going to be long before we become a third world country.

Throw all the dirty lawmakers out of office.
I'm tired of everyone always trashing the white man.
I've been doing the jobs that Americans won't do all my damn life.

**** you Bush..

Bone Saw

[QUOTE=pwrpapa]
I've been doing the jobs that Americans won't do all my damn life.QUOTE]
WORD I am so sick of hearing that they are doing jobs thats americans wont do, that is such a crock of *****, it has become the excuse du jour, I bet you wont find any illegals getting blown to pieces by ied's in Iraq, I bet you wont find any illegals fighting insurgents in falluja, I bet you wont find any illegals with disfigured bodies and drying up benefits in walter reed medical center, I highly doubt any illegals were forced to put thier lives, homes, families, buisnesses, jobs ect... on hold for the last 4 years to go fulfill their reserve duties in Bush and CHeney's BULL***** war while their commander in cheif is off having a good old time exploring aztec ruins with vincent fox planning the further displacement of americans, only to find out that Hector has replaced him while off serving. I haven't seen any "illegals" on discovery channels show "'dirty jobs" although I am damn sure they are there, but you don't see them on the tube. The only way to secure our future is by force and that will require every American man, woman and child to be on board and someone to lead, I just don't see that happening. The only damn thing anyone cares about is their slice of the pie, I think the american dream is lost

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jvcstone

[QUOTE=Bone Saw]
Sorry Chris don't need to be an american citizen nor hold a green card to join up. In fact, serving is one of the was illegals get legal statis, and if you've been watching lately, there has been more than one son/daughter of "illegals" who have paid the ultimate price for freedom.

JVc

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