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Old 08-24-2011, 11:10 AM   #121
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Stephen,

I don't think anyone is saying there aren't good helpers out there. I think the broader point is that many of the younger generation coming up seem to look down on the trades, have an entitlement mentality, and a poor work ethic.

Like any stereotype, there are exceptions.

I think you are correct in looking for character attributes, interests, activities, etc. to gauge the type of person and their motivation. You might not find someone with a burning desire to learn the trades, but someone with character will work hard and give 100% just the same, whether it is for a week, a month, or years.
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Old 08-24-2011, 02:13 PM   #122
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Stephen,

I don't think anyone is saying there aren't good helpers out there. I think the broader point is that many of the younger generation coming up seem to look down on the trades, have an entitlement mentality, and a poor work ethic.

Like any stereotype, there are exceptions.

I think you are correct in looking for character attributes, interests, activities, etc. to gauge the type of person and their motivation. You might not find someone with a burning desire to learn the trades, but someone with character will work hard and give 100% just the same, whether it is for a week, a month, or years.
that's an excellent point

I bet, however-we could go to any point in history and find the older generation bemoaning the laziness of the younger generation!
My parents were raised during The Great Depression-and I am sure those guys thought my generation was the laziest,cushiest,most entitled bunch of people they had ever seen-and heck-they raised us!!!

my favorite worthless helper was a friend of my youngest son. Kid would come and work slow and steady picking up debris like shingles off the ground and throwing it in the dump trailer- but he couldn't carry a bundle of shingles up a ladder- he tried mind you- but he would get 2/3 the way up and just run out of gas and drop the bundle.- 20 year old guy-every bit of 200#- heck at that age I would of died before admidting I couldn't carry a bundle of shingles up a ladder.

well pizza delivery boys gotta come from somewhere-which is what he does 8 hours a week-and that's it. 21 years old and he delivers pizza 8 hours a week,period. He has flunked out of THREE colleges.

what did Dean Wormer say in "Animal House"-"Fat dumb and lazy is no way to go through life,son"

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Edit:- the kid currently delivering pizzas?------ had a lot of similarities with my current employees-varied interests and involvements etc.- but when push came to shove he just wasn't a quality individual

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We go through multiple hires a week. Im 24 and I have only a few friends that are worth a damn. I bid all my jobs against 50 year old guys. When I put adds out its all losers or over 30 wanting 50k a year.
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We go through multiple hires a week. Im 24 and I have only a few friends that are worth a damn. I bid all my jobs against 50 year old guys. When I put adds out its all losers or over 30 wanting 50k a year.
Is 50k a year unreasonable?
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50K sounds about right for a competent tradesman. Master craftsman should be making more.

I make about 50K a year, and I consider my lifestyle only just comfortable.
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Old 08-27-2011, 03:51 PM   #126
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It just really really sucks for my generation is what im trying to say. Every time I want to help out a contractor or something I have to prove to him that everything is going to work out and that im.not some delinquent schmuck or a fraud who is going to claim that he knows how to do things he cannot and then end up desrtroying an entire job or wasting a ton of material

And that is why there is eventually going to.be a hole in the market. Many contractors just refuse to pay their help properly, im 23 and everyone I know around my age who works for a company is getting paid less than $16.00/hr. That's why I wanted to get this thread goin,and yeah maybe it does sem bleak for m generation for people who don't plan on going out on their own.

Oh, and btw - the friend of mine who is making 16.00/hr, he's been doing plumbing for a plumbing co for 5 years and he has completed his 4 year apprenticeship/nite school and is taking his license text in a few weeks. Sixteen an hour for someone who is a week away from getting his plumbing license? I guess it is both the fault of my generation and the business owners who are equally liable for skewing this business. Meanwhile our friends who have bullcrap degrees in liberal arts and went to school and learned nothing are sitting in nice offices making 42k a year at age 23 to answer the phone, file papers and pretend that they know business. Pathetic. And they're all living on their own and financing new cars while us trades kids are livin home, and ofcourse our white collar friends get two weeks paid vacation, a boatload of sick and personal days as well. Meanwhile the jerkoff that I drove.my own car to his jobsite to help him out for two days pay that he still owes me and pretty soon im just going to go to his house and play some games or perhaps just call his handyman agency and tell the owner he's been taking sidejobs from customers

It is wayyyy to easy to have your own company in construction, thas what the problem is, pertaining to all the lowlifes, hacks cutthroats and competition everywhere.

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Yikes finakat, my 22 year old laborer with barely any experience makes $15 an hour.
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It just really really sucks for my generation is what im trying to say. Every time I want to help out a contractor or something I have to prove to him that everything is going to work out and that im.not some delinquent schmuck or a fraud who is going to claim that he knows how to do things he cannot and then end up desrtroying an entire job or wasting a ton of material

And that is why there is eventually going to.be a hole in the market. Many contractors just refuse to pay their help properly, im 23 and everyone I know around my age who works for a company is getting paid less than $16.00/hr. That's why I wanted to get this thread goin,and yeah maybe it does sem bleak for m generation for people who don't plan on going out on their own.

Oh, and btw - the friend of mine who is making 16.00/hr, he's been doing plumbing for a plumbing co for 5 years and he has completed his 4 year apprenticeship/nite school and is taking his license text in a few weeks. Sixteen an hour for someone who is a week away from getting his plumbing license? I guess it is both the fault of my generation and the business owners who are equally liable for skewing this business. Meanwhile our friends who have bullcrap degrees in liberal arts and went to school and learned nothing are sitting in nice offices making 42k a year at age 23 to answer the phone, file papers and pretend that they know business. Pathetic. And they're all living on their own and financing new cars while us trades kids are livin home, and ofcourse our white collar friends get two weeks paid vacation, a boatload of sick and personal days as well. Meanwhile the jerkoff that I drove.my own car to his jobsite to help him out for two days pay that he still owes me and pretty soon im just going to go to his house and play some games or perhaps just call his handyman agency and tell the owner he's been taking sidejobs from customers

It is wayyyy to easy to have your own company in construction, thas what the problem is, pertaining to all the lowlifes, hacks cutthroats and competition everywhere.

Wow, hope it isn't like that a lot where you are. Here 16 bucks an hour is a labourer/first/second year apprentice wage. I don't know any apprentices/trades guys who live at home.
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I am 24 years old and I truly respect our industry and what it takes to be good in it. I take alot of pride in my work but that was the way I was raised. Most people my age that are in the industry have no work ethic. It all comes down to how you were raised. The only way to fix this is to teach the future generations how important it is to EARN what you have.
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It is definitely an employers market... so much so that it is overwhelming for employers who aren't big enough to have HR departments. Social media outlets are proving to be a great way to find people who are already "loyal" and give the impression of being interested in the business.

It's all in who you know and unless your lucky, there is not much exception to this... and if you give the people you know the impression that you're a worthless slacker... well, guess who is not going to recommend you for a job.
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I didn't say unreasonable, I said losers OR 30 plus year old guys wanting 50k a year. I have 4 awesome carpenters plus myself. I want someone to clean up, to carry crap up the latter, roll out tools, GRAB THAT END. DRILL THESE HOLES IN THIS CONCRETE. Rake out this gravel. Pull these nails. Go get another box of 16s. Mark the studs over here.

It takes a sturdy kid to even throw shingles fast enough to put them on. Say what you want, there isn't a guy within 100 miles of where I live thats 35 that would even do that for some young kid like me. ALL I GET IS OLD GUYS SAYING WHAT YOU CANT PAY ME 50K! No not if you are going to be my errand boy/laborer. But I have ten years of experience, well I need a laborer.
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Wow, hope it isn't like that a lot where you are. Here 16 bucks an hour is a labourer/first/second year apprentice wage. I don't know any apprentices/trades guys who live at home.
No kidding. Here all the college kids don;t have jobs and live at home wanting their 40k salary while the trades kids made 35k a year for the last 4 and have 30k in the bank and a steady job with a nice vehicle.

At 16 bucks an hour you make like 2400 a month with no kids pay 350 a month for rent and 400 for food 100 for cell phone that leaves 1550 for other vehicle payments savings gas messing around.

On my current project I am paying about .75x for employee costs so at 16 an hour your cost is 28 plus lunch so basically 30. So that means that two of you have to hang 48 sheets a day give or take. That called being able to produce what your worth. Doesn't happen very often with young kids.
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Rent is 750 month around here for a one bedroom apt.
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Damn, all I can manage to clear is 2.13 plus tips.
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Rent is 750 month around here for a one bedroom apt.
Im relating more for college kids that live in dorms splitting a room with 2 people, where as just renting a room in a house gives you just as much or more freedom. Not just a one bedroom apartment. I think the WC problem is the biggest really.
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Im relating more for college kids that live in dorms splitting a room with 2 people, where as just renting a room in a house gives you just as much or more freedom. Not just a one bedroom apartment. I think the WC problem is the biggest really.
If they live in a dorm they will be in class when you need them.
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finakat,

I understand what your saying. I am guessing these things have been happening since about the time of the pyramids. You may feel it sucks alot for you now... but what about your (future) kids?? See it is not just you at all.

These feelings are actually a reflection of youth, 10 more years and a younger tradesman will feel like you did. You will understand.

I was disgruntal once, when I was younger. Try 10/hr pd. every 2wks and I took home 1k on a few occasions. Take Home or After Taxes. And I was the Best, making half as much as family Frank. You do the math.

I just think you need to let go a little. Stop trying to prove yourself, just be an example...respect will come. You have the rest of your life to become a multimillion dollar company, in which case you will know what to expect from the greenhorns.

I really didn't know much when I was your age at all and I can admit that now.
I thought I was a bad mamajama cause I was hot stuff.

Honestly, I am glad I was beer-bonging and tail chasing. Clubs, dancing, parties, lefty smokes.

I got all that out of my system then, now I have a wife, kids, house, dog, too many trailers, and alot of bills. No credit cards though.

seriously hope this helps.

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Beer bonging and tail chasing, I concur.

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