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Old 09-15-2006, 09:16 PM   #1
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OK, so I'm an electrical contractor, and a pretty bad one at that. But can anyone tell me if Mike Holmes is good or full of it?

Does he really know his stuff, or does he just really like to bash other contractors?

If anyone doesn't know, he has a show on tv called "Holmes on Homes"

Just curious.
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Old 09-15-2006, 09:24 PM   #2
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I don't know if I would have put that first sentence down, but I have to credit you with blunt honesty.

Haven't seen the show.

Might want to think your next post through.

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I have watched his show several times. From what I can tell, he does know his stuff, but one thing about him troubles me. He seems to get so excited when he "discovers" deficiencies that many of us see on a fairly regular basis. I'd expect a more seasoned person to not seem so surprised and [over]react the way he does.
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We have talked about him before... http://www.contractortalk.com/showth...ghlight=holmes I voiced my opinion then.
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I've seen the show several times.

As has been said, we tend to see alot of this if we are involved in residential remodeling. ALOT of 'Harry Homeowner jobs' look like the work he runs into.

I did see a show last week where the work was Unbelievably Horrible. It was obvious the guy hired had no clue and was out to screw the HO just for the money.

However, I do think the guy tends to get his blood pressure up a lil . I'm sure that alot of his reactions are for the media...encouraged by the show's producers.

FWIW, There's a website on the show. Look up: "Holmes on Homes"
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I don't know if I would have put that first sentence down, but I have to credit you with blunt honesty.

Haven't seen the show.

Might want to think your next post through.
sorry teetor, i tend to forget that you can't convey emotion through this stupid internet. I have a very self depreciating sense of humor and tend to follow the underpromise / overdeliver strategy of life.

I'm actually quite competent in not only the technical side of things, but also the business side (which is where I prefer to be)

But, I am an electrician, not a carpenter/builder/GC, and I know what looks right/wrong with that, but I don't know the building codes like I do the electrical codes.

But, to clear up any confusion, I am not the worst electrician/electrical contractor you have ever met
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I have also seen the show numurous times, as far as tiling goes, he does or hires contractors who know their stuff and show the correct way to do an installation, unlike all the other home improvement shows, where it's down right laughable and sad the way they do it.

Yes, he get's excited, that's part of the show I guess, I'm sure we all act like that inside when seeing shoddy work, it's those who don't know anything and rip off homeowners that give the honest pros at work a bad name at times.
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He seems to get so excited when he "discovers" deficiencies that many of us see on a fairly regular basis. I'd expect a more seasoned person to not seem so surprised and [over]react the way he does.
Maybe he has the personality type that gets excited over finding others' flaws.

Or maybe he's like Al Lindner? You ever see how excited that guy gets when a catches a walleye that looks exactly like the other 10,000 he caught.
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that guy is good and good for the industry. NO SHORTCUTS. yes he finds the worst jobs availiable and steps it up for tv but its all above board, professionally done, and correct. homeowners should really get a strong signal to check references, insurance etc. get em holmes
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As discussed in previous threads here,
the guy works for Home Depot installation services(our competition).

http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/s...ervices_holmes

Considering the number of complaints against Home Depot services,
and him alligning his brand with Home Depot's, I am not sure...
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As I said in the previous thread... I saw him commit code violations and talk about how it was a "better way".
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As I said in the previous thread... I saw him commit code violations and talk about how it was a "better way".
Remember that he's in Canada, too. The code may be slightly different.
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As discussed in previous threads here,
the guy works for Home Depot installation services(our competition).

http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/s...ervices_holmes

Considering the number of complaints against Home Depot services,
and him alligning his brand with Home Depot's, I am not sure...
george, what are the number of complaints as a percentage of total jobs?

do 100,000 jobs in a year and see the total number of complaints in a given year. Add in the typical HD customer factor, and you see where i am going with this.
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i think mike holmes knows what he talks about, but u notice he always get's all his boy like you and me to get the job done rite.. he makes little deficiancies into major structural issues and so on, when make cases, we assess the situation and correct the problem,,, my 2 cents
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As I said in a previous thread about Holmes on Homes, he does do good work (and tends to overkill on many aspects). My biggest problem with the show (for example) is that the client originally hired a contractor to do a $5000.00 reno on their kitcken (paint grade cabinet doors, p-lam counters, melamine boxes, track lights, nice vinyl floor, etc..). By the time he leaves they have solid oak cabinets and doors, a granite counter top, recessed halogen pot lights, and a nice ceramic tile floor and backsplash...

I feel bad for the clients that got ripped off by the contractor charging $5000.00 for their kitchen reno and doing bad work. But I'd like to see Mike leave them with a properly done $5000.00 kitchen reno (not a $15,000.00 reno). He shows before and after pics at the end of the show and the difference is huge (because he's given them a kitchen that's three times what they could afford in the beginning). He says "This is what it should have looked like" but it's not. The client could never afford that. That's my opinion of the show...
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george, what are the number of complaints as a percentage of total jobs?

do 100,000 jobs in a year and see the total number of complaints in a given year. Add in the typical HD customer factor, and you see where i am going with this.

Don't know about Holmes but I do know this about Home Depot.
I just left a man's house last week who called me to finish a future basement bath that a HD "contractor" had started but was not going to finish because he "had a torn rotater cuff". When I got there it was a night mare!

Code violation #1. used a 4" male adapter to connect new rough drainage piping through a 4" clean out test tee at the base of a stack. He removed the plug and screwed in the male adapter into the test tee.

Code violation #2. terminated an air admittance valve inside a wall that was clearly going to be sheetrocked and obviously intended to do the same for a bar sink that was to be located around the corner some 15' away. I say obviously but this assuming he did in fact realize that the bar sink would have to have it's own vent. All this in spite of the fact that the future vent was clearly visible having been stubbed down and capped at new construction. It took less than 1 minute to find the future vent which tells me he probably didn't even know to look for it.

Code violation #3. He had run about 15' of 1.5" pvc piping that had alternated from proper fall to back fall to proper fall again and finally ended in back fall again.

This goes on and on but I don't want to write a book.

The HD customer is not off the hook either. I pointed out all the problems that I saw and quickly came to the conclusion that everything the previous HD guy (I will not credit him with the title "Plumber") had done was going to have to be cut out and re-done. I was'nt making it up or trying to "sell him", that's exactly what needs to be done, cut it all out and re-do it! So I give him the price and it turns out that Joe HO only cares about getting it done CHEAP! Apparantly he really doesn't care if it's right as long as it's CHEAP! So you know what, he deserves what he gets. The shame of it is that he and other consumers will run down "contractors", and often with good cause, but some of them are every bit as guilty in that they are perfectly willing to pass on known problems to others (I think the guy slipped and tipped me off that he's already planning on selling this $500k home). Shame on the HO, shame on the jackleg that installed that crap, and shame on HD for referring this so called "plumbing professional".

P.S. I know I did'nt really have an opinion on Holmes so please forgive me for venting a little.

P.S.S. The next time you need a water heater and you're tempted to go with the $200.00 tank with the $200.00 install from HD/Lowes instead of the $800.00 to $1000.00 tank w/install from the pro who is going to bring you a quality tank, give you a proper install, and back up his warranty should it ever be necessary, just remember that the cheapest price = the lowest quality tank and NO SERVICE after the fact!!

OK, I think I'm done.... for now

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george, what are the number of complaints as a percentage of total jobs?

do 100,000 jobs in a year and see the total number of complaints in a given year. Add in the typical HD customer factor, and you see where i am going with this.
I don't know.
To be fair, when you deal with such a huge brand and the world wide web,
there will likely be more complaints published than praise,
but that's the nature of the beast, if you associate with them you have
to take the negatives and the positives.
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With regards to Mike Holmes:
I have seen him build 3 decks on TV. All 3 were incorrect in some way. One was a huge lower deck which he built on deck blocks.
On none of them does he even discuss getting a permit.
I emailed the show and their repsonse was to thank me but not to worry they knew what they were doing.
In another instance, they built a massive stone retaining wall righ up against a sidewalk, not realizing that sidewalks are always built inside the boulevard, and that the property line was 3' inside. The wall had to come down.
Last summer they did a group fence job for about 30 homeowners. They replaced a fence done by some fly-by night (The company that did the replacement work has since gone out of business). The original fence was horrible, and the replacement fence was better. However, there were still plenty of problems, which of course no-one noticed.

One of my crews has documentation that Holmes promised his son an appreticeship, and then backed out in a particularly bad way.

Don't forget, this is a TV show. Of course they are going to blow things way out of proportion.

On a different note: I highly RESENT Home Depot doing installations. Some years ago, one of our lumber suppliers opened an installation division. We contracotrs were so incensed that we had to compete against our own supplier, that his wholesale business dropped by 40 %. His install dept lasted exactly one season.
I think it is blatently unfair that we should have to compete against them. They have a huge name and "brand" and if thier sales people weren't so inept, it would be impossible to compete.
Time and again I've had customers tell me how bad the "guy from Home Depot" was and how little he knew, so I've been fine. If HD ever smartens up and gets good salespeople, look out. How the hell do we compete against our own suppliers? (Well, not mine, but you know what I mean)
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I would have to say Mike Holmes is all talk for the show. I realize this thread is from a few years ado, but I just happened to stumble across it. Ialways notice code violations in all his jobs. Then it also seems like he more or less has advertisement. For new products and different stuff. I've always been curious about something. He always screws everything together. Which a screw holds two boards together more so than a nail, but as far as shear strength goes a nail holds better. With that said how does he figure a screw in a joist hanger is better. Is it some type of rated screw I've never heard of??
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I would have to say Mike Holmes is all talk for the show. I realize this thread is from a few years ado, but I just happened to stumble across it. Ialways notice code violations in all his jobs. Then it also seems like he more or less has advertisement. For new products and different stuff. I've always been curious about something. He always screws everything together. Which a screw holds two boards together more so than a nail, but as far as shear strength goes a nail holds better. With that said how does he figure a screw in a joist hanger is better. Is it some type of rated screw I've never heard of??
Boy this is an old thread... And still the same questions about screws and their shear strength. Use recommended fasteners not what you see on entertainment TV.

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