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Old 08-17-2011, 07:12 AM   #21
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Old 08-17-2011, 10:24 AM   #22
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The managers are given too many projects to manage. I've been here now for about 5 months and I have yet to see one on a job site.
I'm sadly familiar with his company and compete with them often. They are basically a sales oriented machine with a huge marketing budget. All the effort goes into marketing and sales. Production is the least of their concerns. Look at that work. The installer is nowhere near qualified but still given jobs to install. You think the salesperson might take a little interest in his job? Bet good money he only shows up if there's a major problem. They even carfully gleen their name from the Bible. Very sad. At the first bump in sales they will be forced to realize profits fly out the door when a majority of the jobs are under performing and you can only live on down payments so long. Good luck Remodelor. You deserve better.
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Very little, you're correct, which is great for me. The difference between me and 'Andre' is that I take pride in what I do, and he just thinks just being proud is enough. I'm seriously considering telling management about this, the problem is that he and them go way back to another company, so it might be unwise. Still, they need to hear this from someone other than a pissed of homeowner.

This HO will be fine until they have a friend over that knows something about construction, and then they'll be on the phone, livid.
I just want to comment on this. I would advise you to stay out of it. I don't think anything good will come out of you complaining to management.

I understand you have a conscience, and that work is awful. I just really think you should just worry about the quality of your work.

I have known people that were hack-a-saurus rex's before, they just don't pay enough attention to detail. I think you have to be a perfectionist to do awesome work. All the best tradesmen have that attention to detail, that drive to make it perfect.

Just my $0.02

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Yeah like beanfacekiller says don't even open your mouth. I just lost a lot of work because I was working with a hack and he was messing up everything and I had to go back and fix it all. Yet this hack was questioning all my work even though it was way way way above the quality of his. Next things next I'm packing up my tools and off the site. Funny though because 99% of the tools on the job were mine as the hack has none so they couldnt even work without me there. Still though I lost out on money to a guy who was one of the biggest hacks I ever meet since being in the US. Get this though. He was also being paid 3 times what I was talked on his phone for half the day and couldn't even turn up when he was meant to.
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I'm sadly familiar with his company and compete with them often. They are basically a sales oriented machine with a huge marketing budget. All the effort goes into marketing and sales. Production is the least of their concerns. Look at that work. The installer is nowhere near qualified but still given jobs to install. You think the salesperson might take a little interest in his job? Bet good money he only shows up if there's a major problem. They even carfully gleen their name from the Bible. Very sad. At the first bump in sales they will be forced to realize profits fly out the door when a majority of the jobs are under performing and you can only live on down payments so long. Good luck Remodelor. You deserve better.
I've seen some pics of Remod's work and wondering why he doesn't have his own company??
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Sad.

No pride there at all. You and the homeowner definitely deserve better.
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Homeowner contacted us to possibly renovate the master bath which required moving of plumbing, a complete redesign.
They weren't too pleased with the previous unlicensed contractor/Oregon transplant. When I saw the work (see photos), I (professionally) couldn't say a thing other than, "I am really sorry you received this." and "You will not receive this from us."
The homeowner wanted us to try and fix some of the issues. Fix? You mean remove and start over, right?
We passed on the job when the budget didn't come close to the needed work to put our name on it.
A few months later, another unlicensed contractor/California transplant was in there for two months. I overheard his conversation on the phone one day, "I can't find anyone to do hot mopping, but I found this membrane stuff at Home Depot but don't know how it works. They didn't have a book on it or anything."
Homeowners like this get what they deserve when they pass on the qualified professional to save 10-15%.

What's really amazing to me as that we see this work all the time. I think I hear the nickels rubbing together right now...
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This is the companies fault, for hiring a hack and never checking up on the work. If you cant cut miters for a 90 degree turn and get them to line up then you have no business doing tile work.

My question is who does the framing?
because in the last picture in post #4 that is a terrible design to leave such a small area in front of the tub that only a 1/4 inch sliver will work. A second layer of drywall would of made that look twice as good . . . still shi##y but twice as good
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my co-worker is pretty much a hack when it comes to carpentry, layouts, and finish type things. its the boss's brother and part owner of the company. i tell both of them all the time.
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This is the companies fault, for hiring a hack and never checking up on the work. If you cant cut miters for a 90 degree turn and get them to line up then you have no business doing tile work.

My question is who does the framing?
because in the last picture in post #4 that is a terrible design to leave such a small area in front of the tub that only a 1/4 inch sliver will work. A second layer of drywall would of made that look twice as good . . . still shi##y but twice as good
The framing was existing. He basically tore out the old tile and replaced it. I do want to point out that 90% of the installers at my company are very good installers. This guy is just terrible however, and hopefully he'll lose his job.
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To the op, find a new job quickley.
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To the op, find a new job quickley.
I like my job, it pays well, has good benefits, and I try my best to do great quality work. There is just too little oversight from the management. That said, I work well in a position with little oversight. And there are a lot of other good guys on staff. It's just that Andre doesn't do very good work at all.
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...I like my job, it pays well, has good benefits, and I try my best to do great quality work. There is just too little oversight from the management.... Andre doesn't do very good work at all.
Just don't get caught in his whirlpool....

Don't see how the management/company can be around long with no quality control or over sight
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This is one of the biggest remodeling companies in Kansas City. The short reveal from the edge of the tub is awful. If you are spending 5K to remodel your bathroom, take the time and do it right. This could have been solved for under $50. The poor tile work is just laziness. I mean this guy would have to lose his job... Right? I would expect this kind of work from a handyman or a DIY'er but not a tile guy. This is why I have such a difficult time bringing in new guys.
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i thought about this a little. if you go in and "fix" this and dont redo it all, then a problem with the craftsmanship comes up latter, the other guy is gonna tell management that you did all the bad parts.
You should ask the project manager to go thru and make a punchlist, and ask if you should correct some of the stuff. just ask it as if its not a big deal that its like that and let the PM make the decision that the tile job is hack.

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If you told management about this and showed them the pics I do not think this would be held against you because it is the companies reputation on the line. I would offer to gut the room and start over. Noone deserves that kind of hackmanship

I've been around employees with that state of mind in the past... to them, all customers are unreasonable and they don't get paid enough. They usually start off with a good day until a customer asks a question or bring up a job detail that was stressed by the sales rep. At that time is when the savage state of mind comes out and they just start throwing the job together and feel that they pull weight with the company if there is any complaints afterwards. At the end of the day, they never appreciate that they are employed and never try to improve in work or life in general and of course DO NOT have the balls to employ themselves because the brain power does not exist
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... if I owned that company and an employee showed me those pictures, I would freak out and hell to be paid..........
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Wow! I don't know which is worse, the tile work or the trim work! Did the same guy do both? If management does not know now, they will in the future when: water gets behind the uncaulked shower head, rots out the framing, leaks to the sub floor and joists, rots those out, mold takes over the stud cavities and then starts to show through the grout, someone links a health problem to the rampant mold growth which is linked to the hackiness of Andre's work and then.......one less company! (yes I know that is one he'll of a run on sentence). If I were the PM I would want to know about this. If Andre and the owner are so close that they fire you or even repremand you for pointing this out then they deserve what they get. I'd find someone else to work for and send the HO copies of these photos with detailed notes. At least I could sleep at night knowing I tried to do the right thing. If you do not point it out to the PM at a minimum, your going to be held as accountable as Andre. Thanks for sharing the story and photos......Glad to know I'm not the only one that deals with these types of hack jobs. It's even more fun when the hack is the owners son!
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I had a physical reaction looking at those photos, like looking at a surgery or car crash.

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