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Old 01-24-2010, 04:39 PM   #1
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So, i have had three guys that work for me steady for over a year. I have given them all they need. From tools, to time, to days off or short days when they needed it. Last week I needed to attend the builders show in Vegas for a number of reasons. I left one man a variety of things to get done. (4 days of work in 5 days) i left the other 2 men a house to install hardiplank siding, soffits, and facias along wilth some vinyl rails on the deck on 2 1/2 sides. I gave them 2 additional laborers as well. Neither crew got their work done. I want to tell them that they need to get this work done on their time or find a new job. Am I out of line?
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Old 01-24-2010, 04:41 PM   #2
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So, i have had three guys that work for me steady for over a year. I have given them all they need. From tools, to time, to days off or short days when they needed it. Last week I needed to attend the builders show in Vegas for a number of reasons. I left one man a variety of things to get done. (4 days of work in 5 days) i left the other 2 men a house to install hardiplank siding, soffits, and facias along wilth some vinyl rails on the deck on 2 1/2 sides. I gave them 2 additional laborers as well. Neither crew got their work done. I want to tell them that they need to get this work done on their time or find a new job. Am I out of line?
Hire someone else to finish it up and let them sit at home unpaid for a week or two.

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Legally I don't think you can give them that ultimatum. But bwalley's suggestion might work.
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I want to tell them that they need to get this work done on their time or find a new job. Am I out of line?
I believe that would be illegal.
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your right it is illegal. I am just going to let them stay at home and hire someone to finish it.
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What was their excuse for not getting their work done?

Did you tell them before you left what your expectation or was it just assumed on your end?

Employees don't have the same vision that the boss has.

Please answer the forum truthfully.................
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oh we are supposed to be truthful here

ill finish the siding for ya
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oh we are supposed to be truthful here

ill finish the siding for ya
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What was their excuse for not getting their work done?

Did you tell them before you left what your expectation or was it just assumed on your end?

Employees don't have the same vision that the boss has.

Please answer the forum truthfully.................
I've found the average that gets done when you are gone is right at about 50% of what you think should be done.
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I've found the average that gets done when you are gone is right at about 50% of what you think should be done.
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that is a common frustration-the employees don't care about getting the work done. Be honest and tell them you're disappointed in not getting done 4 days of work in 5 and you'll hire someone else to finish the job...be prepared to keep the new guy b/c the old slow pokes may not stick around...but then again the new guy may be a 'good' employee.
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Employees don't have the same vision that the boss has.
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Expectations has a great deal to do with this.
Did you explain your expectations to them? Did the expect that the amount of work SHOULD have been done? Did they say it would be done?
Employees need to be informed.
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gosh the same thing happened to me a long time ago. The boss leaves me and the lead guy to go on vacation for two weeks, says we have to have the roof system done by the time he gets back in two weeks so we can go install it.

The lead guy calls up sunday night and says we're taking the first week off so he can work on his truck and goof off. I tell him I wanna work, he says he can't leave me alone to work by myself.

Calls me up friday and says we need to work ten or twelve hour days next week to make up for taking a week off. I tell him I'll be in at 8 and out by 4:30 and he can expain to the boss why it wasn't done on time or I can.

while the cat is away the mice will play.
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When the cat's away.......

Was any one person in charge in your absence?

Did you tell them you wouldn't be around that day or did they think there was a chance they might be checked on?

Also, as stated above, did you outline what your expectations were for the day?

It sounds like you had all your ducks in a row but your guys simply took advantage of you in your absence.

Were there other trades on the job that you can ask about what your guys did during your absence?

Just some thoughts.

Edit-LMAO that we were typing responses at the same time and both used the cat saying!
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gosh the same thing happened to me a long time ago. The boss leaves me and the lead guy to go on vacation for two weeks, says we have to have the roof system done by the time he gets back in two weeks so we can go install it.

The lead guy calls up sunday night and says we're taking the first week off so he can work on his truck and goof off. I tell him I wanna work, he says he can't leave me alone to work by myself.

Calls me up friday and says we need to work ten or twelve hour days next week to make up for taking a week off. I tell him I'll be in at 8 and out by 4:30 and he can expain to the boss why it wasn't done on time or I can.

while the cat is away the mice will play.
I am guessing that this was a "Former" employer? I have on two occasions, left my crew alone for two weeks while I was out of the country. Absolutely no contact for the entire two weeks. When I came back the first time, they had started a job that I had never even seen! Contractor gets a hold of my lead guy and says he needs a few guys on a T&M job, and they go there and get it started. 2nd time had good results as well. It all starts with how they work before you leave. If you have good people, and realistic expectations, you should get good results.
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yeah, almost ten years ago former.

The lead guy was quiting as soon as his "new job" started and if I outlasted him I'd get to move into his place as soon as I learned the boss's methods.

Well the next week the lead guys yells at me in front of the boss for not showing up at 7:30 like his told me too. (I was there at 8) I got back in the car a took off and let them go over to beaver creek at install the crap. needless to say I couldn't outlast the guy another week or two.
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Finding good employees is the hardest part for me. If they have the skill, drive, ambition I do then they probably would be out on their own.
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You have to offer financial incentives if you expect people to do something out of the ordinary. That is work hard with out you being there. Of course you shouldn't have to do this but I think as the saying goes you get more bees with honey than vinegar.
My lead guy has been very grumpy lately, and made a couple of comments about wanting a raise. Which at first I thought I would just get rid of him.
After some thought and knowing I would have to find someone to replace him. I decided on a raise, he was very happy and has really started putting in the work again.

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How is that an ultimatum? Get the work done or your fired. Sounds like standard business practices. If you can't do the job, I'll find someone else to do it.

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