Day Labor At HD

locofoco

I caught the tail end of a news report tonight saying that Home Depot has started a day labor business at some of their west coast stores? The report also said 80% of them were illegal immigrants. Anybody else see this? Please tell me I'm wrong.

bob the builder

People looking for work were hanging out in the parking lot at H.D.'s in the morning and asking contractors if they needed help that day. Well apparently that caught on and at one particular store the manager kicked the day workers off the property. They then started hanging around in neighborhoods near H.D. and from there national media. I assume that is the story your speaking of at least....

Bob

Peladu

On the news not too long ago there was a story about a HD managed calling the police to arrest day laborers for trespassing. They rounded up about 20 (or so) guys, all illegals. All except one, a Mexican citizen who was a contractor and was at HD to buy material. They just rounded him right into the heard.

Mike Finley

That would be awesome. The closest day laborers I can get are down town in Denver, I work the burbs so it's a 2 hour or more process to pick them up and then another 2 hours to get them back.

I've got 10 Home Depots within spitting distance of me.

PipeGuy

I just finished (minutes ago) reading Eat The Rich by PJ O'Rourke and I have to admit, I may be experiencing an epiphany regarding my here-to-fore strongly held beliefs about [illegal] immigration. O'Rourke makes a very strong case for the benefits to be found in a truly 'free market' vs. those found in places where freedom is doled (sp?) out selectively. I think some thoughtful reexamination of my opinions might be in order.

Grumpy

It's amazing the differences between the two posts.

I like Day Labor. It's a cheap and convenient way to fill in the gaps when I ran a crew. I'm now going back to using subs for everything except repairs, but when I we needed a few extra guys to clean up trash a simple phone call to labor ready and I had the extra labor I needed. Note I said LABOR these guys have no skills for the most part and you have to keep on them cracking the whip. Also in my area they drive themseles to and from the jobsite.

In regards to home depot hiring illegals... No way in hell, unless the illegal had some false papers, which many do. In that case how is it home depot's fault?

RoofContractor2

I agree with Grumpy

paroofer

This is part of an email we got from NRCA on Dec 14th..

Current situation: The U.S. House of Representatives will consider immigration legislation this week that focuses solely on interior enforcement and border security. HR 4437 would replace the current I-9 hiring process with a new, unproven government-run electronic verification program that requires employers to determine whether potential employees are authorized to work in the U.S. and would require a blanket re-examination of all existing employees — even those who already have gone through the I-9 process. HR 4437 also would impose massive increases in penalties on employers — even for paperwork violations.

How your business is affected: HR 4437 essentially forces employers to act as the "document police" or find themselves subject to onerous fines and potential jail time. To make matters worse, the legislation fails to provide legal channels for employers to access needed immigrant workers when U.S. workers are unavailable. Provisions of the legislation include:
Employers found to be in violation of the new mandates can be subject to fines as high as $50,000 and one year in prison for each violation.
Paperwork violations, such as checking the wrong box on an I-9 form, can result in a $25,000 fine. This is 25-fold increase — the current fine is $1,000.
Employers are required to confirm the documentation of every employee, including some former employees.
The bill criminalizes the status of those here unlawfully, making all current undocumented workers "aggravated felons" — this would force them to leave the U.S. and preclude them from ever returning.

This will be a huge pain in the but for employers.

Glasshousebltr

Freakin amazing, it's almost like they put their heads together to find a new way to put a fella in jail.

Ya know some of the employers that get caught up in that crap wont deserve it. They'll use it to spearhead people that don't fit the program.

Bob

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Mike Finley

Sorry, thumbs way up! That would be awesome if it would only come to pass, which it surely won't.

The current system doesn't work, anything is is a step in the right direction. It's pretty simply, cut off the benefits for crossing the border and there's no reason to cross it, right? The problem starts and stops with the people handing money to the illegals, that's the employers. Unfortunatly I doubt this bill will ever get passed, but it certainly is what needs to be done.

PMAC

Ya your right it probebly wont pass!


Here in America we got to wrapped up in democrat-republican bs. We are blinded by gov't mind *****ing us. We have been divided so bad that the gov't can do whatever they want. ANd we wont do a dam thing about it. All that Americans will do is point there finger and say look what the republicans did, look at what the democrats did.


IN the mean time while the GOV't dems and republicans go golfing together, maybe vactation together and sit around laughing at all the moronic americans that bought into the repbulican democrat thing and totally forget we are Americans not democrats and republicans.


So as our gov't mind *****s us all and does nothing that we want them to do the people "dems and republicans" foam at the mouth and point thier fingers at each other thinking how right they are. While the gov't goes unchecked and can do whatever they want.

If we lived in a unified country that are gov't didnt mind ***** and they pulled things like they do now to screw us all. They would have been overthrown along time ago and they now it. SO what they have done is an old well none tactic of war and its called


DIVIDE AND CONQUER! ANd the lamers dont even no it. They just running around thinking how right they are and how wrong the other guy is.

SO anyway no sense blabing around about illegals cause either way we are going to support our gov't decision 100%. 50% from the dems and 50% from the republicans while the gov't officails sit around behind closed doors and laugh how well there little plan has worked and how all the morons(american people) fell for it hook line and sinker! THey need them illegal mexian votes and they need the legal mexican votes that they wont get if they screw the illegal mexican family members!

SO lets just keep on pointing our fingers at each other and let the gov't Screw us til the end!


Otherwise this post wouldnt even have been posted something would have been done that the American people want but dems can point finger at republicans and vice versa while we suffor. Maybe i can go to arizona and finish drywall for 3 cents a foot.



THE 50-50 syndrome that the gov't created to protect themselves and keep themselves in power while they do nothing that the people want!

Just look at the big show over judge Alito. Do you think they dont know how each and every one is going to vote? Do you think these senate hearings changed a thing NO. ITs all for show for the mind F***KING. THey should have voted on him right away. We know dems are against and republicans are for and really not a damn thing the dems could do to stop it. but we need that show for the morons, I mean Americans!

Peladu

I disagree with you, paroofer stated that this would be a major inconvenience for the employer. But also, think about the time (time=money) that its going to take a small business owner like me (and you) to deal with this nonsense. To top it off they want us to pay a hefty fine for “checking the wrong box”. Come on, get real.
The first service to get hit by this will be the landscapers. If you think that something this minor will stop the influx of illegals into the states then your wrong. A better mouse trap will be built, if you know what I mean. I don’t agree with hiring illegals, but they do have a market and always will, no matter what.
That’s my lousy 2 ¢

paroofer

Except they put all the responsibility on the employer. Why? Because they suck at their job of keeping our borders safe? They even second guess their original process by reexaminating all those who have been through the I-9 already? I just think it's THEIR job. I certainly won't give money to illegals either, and don't appreciate people who do. How do you tell if documents are legit??

PMAC

Dont hire any of them "Illegal cockroaches" and you wont have to worry if there papers are legit or not! I mean really if they are standing out in front of a home depot and only one out of the 20 guys there can speek english then chances are they are border jumpers!!!!!!!!

I forget how sensitive some may be to the truth!

red_cedar

Tell you what bothers me is, this has been going on for a long time with contractors, the ones that are and have been hiring illegals of either mexican decent or eastern europeon decent. They will just hire someone else, they dont care, its just buisness. Bothers me when ethics are not part of how you run your buisness.
I bet there are at least a dozen contractors on here that hire illegals and dont advertise it.
I havent always walked a pefectly straight line 100% of the time but I dont undercut the american worker, though it is tempting. Hard not to be tempted because it seem like everyone else is just going with whose can work the hardest for the least amount of money.

PMAC

OHHHH IC you must be a biggot too! And everyone else that doesnt want a flood of illegals ruining our business!


YOu are all just biggots! ITs ok for mexico to seal thier southern border but my god the United States better not cause them some libtard will call us biggots!

ANd for them guys who hire this scum they should be fined heavily and hopefully put out of business! Cause if it continues we will all be put out of business!


Here is the common home depot scenario!


http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2677619?htv=12

ProWallGuy

Ya'll need to tone down on the 'brown bastards' and whatnot.
Play nicely here or I'll shut it down.
At least ACT like your all professionals.

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PMAC

I fixed it just for you!

locofoco

Thanks Prowall-

This is a hot topic right now, a little scary for sure. Here's my 2cents-
There have always been immigrants here taking cheap jobs, in the 1800's it was the Irish and east-europeans, out west it was the Chinese. They came here and worked hard and now their descendants are living the American dream. They assimilated into our culture and learned English.

Today,with the Mexican immigrants, we have a new set of problems. A lot,if not most are illegals. They need to be sent home. I have no ill feelings for Hispanic people, they have a wonderful culture and they make good Americans when they come here to stay, assimilate and become citizens.
Whats going on now however, is a wholesale invasion of a people who in my opinion are here to make a fast buck to send back home. They may seem to be the ticket for some of us wanting grunt work done cheap. But who pays for all the medical bills down at the "free" clinic. Who pays to educate their children (they pay little if any taxes). This is just the tip of the iceberg as far as social services go. With the growing Hispanic population,many of whom are unwilling to give up their native tongue, I'm afraid some day we'll become a nation of two languages like Canada. That would be a disaster. Our common language has always been a uniting factor in our culture. This cheap labor on the streetcorner isn't cheap, it only appears so. We'll pay now or we'll pay later. I don't think there are any jobs Americans are unwilling to do if the moneys right. And if they're paid right they'll pay taxes, build homes, and maybe even hire us to do something. As much as we all hate polititians, they're really the only ones who can do anything about it. As soon as the voters cry enough about it, we'll get action. I hope it isn't too late.

paroofer

I agree. I just don't think it ALL needs to be up to the employers. We all pay taxes. Our government should share in the responsibility Our borders should be more secure. That's all. I'm not being sensitive, JMO.