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Old 10-16-2017, 11:43 PM   #41
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Don't make me go get my gun, means don't threaten me to a point I'll need it.


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Old 10-16-2017, 11:48 PM   #42
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F this....somebody tells me 'don't make me go get my gun'.....Well go get it MFer...bring some ketchup with it too because you'll be eating the SOB
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Don't make me go get my gun, means don't threaten me to a point I'll need it.


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I think the meaning would hinge on what a reasonable person hearing it might interpret it as, not what the speaker hoped it to mean. When you threaten use of deadly force it's on you to make sure the meaning is clear, not the receiver to sort it out. I think the court would find in favor of the recipient of the message in this case. We do have "Castle Doctrine" here in Kentucky, but I highly doubt pulling a gun over a bag of concrete on a trailer not owned by the homeowner would fall under it.

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The guy was pretty pissed and the bailiff had to back him off 4x's. When we left, he made him stay in the court room until we had time to make it to our car. He wouldn't even let the man leave the same time we did. When we was talking to the Judge, the guy pointed to his son (that was in the back of the courtroom) in a hateful manner and said something to him, he told him to go get his wife. She comes in with her head down, hair in her face like she was scared to death of him. He started screaming at her saying "Tell the judge how this man kept saying we only owed him $500! TELL HIM!!" She just said yes and walked off. It was pretty sad for her. Anyway, I guess the Judge felt like he was already to irate and knew we had in our statement that he threatened us before. I have never heard of him sending the verdict in the mail either, until today, he did it with another couple too where the guy was really upset. He said he wanted to go over all the evidence and would send us his decision. I wish he would've just told us there and get this whole thing over with.
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I think the meaning would hinge on what a reasonable person hearing it might interpret it as, not what the speaker hoped it to mean. When you threaten use of deadly force it's on you to make sure the meaning is clear, not the receiver to sort it out. I think the court would find in favor of the recipient of the message in this case. We do have "Castle Doctrine" here in Kentucky, but I highly doubt pulling a gun over a bag of concrete on a trailer not owned by the homeowner would fall under it.


If that gentleman felt threatened by a two against one situation, he can say whatever he wants to protect himself. And no there is no law requiring you to make anyone understand you.

It's my opinion this guy isn't telling us the whole story. I'd be willing to wager a testicle that the guy with the gun has a whole different story.

Nothing about the OP makes sense.


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If that gentleman felt threatened by a two against one situation, he can say whatever he wants to protect himself. And no there is no law requiring you to make anyone understand you.

It's my opinion this guy isn't telling us the whole story. I'd be willing to wager a testicle that the guy with the gun has a whole different story.

Nothing about the OP makes sense.


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Apparently the guy had a few different stories from what he said to the judge.
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LOL no the Judge does not travel from town to town. He is the same Judge that been sitting on the bench every day for years. I've never heard of it before but no there is no more to the story than what has been told. I am assuming because the guy got irate that is why he would send it in the mail.
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Just because it's something that hasn't been heard of a lot. Doesn't mean they don't do it. I wouldn't say he was mailing his decision if it wasn't true. What would I get out of doing that? I mean really? I would love to have had a decision right there. I haven't heard of it until yesterday myself. But I didn't question the Judge about it.
I guess you would have argued with the Judge saying "well they just don't mail decisions"

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Plaintiffs and Defendants ... The Judgment

Receiving the Judge's Decision
After hearing from the parties who appear at the hearing, the judge will make a decision. The judge will base the decision on the evidence, the law, and common sense. The judge may rule for either the plaintiff or the defendant, or may award something to both parties.

Sometimes the judge may decide the case immediately, announce his or her decision in court, and ask the clerk to give the parties the judgment form—called the Notice of Entry of Judgment (Form SC-130)—in the courtroom. Other times, the judge may not decide the case until later. This is called “taking the case under submission.” If the judge takes the case under submission, you’ll receive your copy of the Notice of Entry of Judgment in the mail, after the case is decided.

The judge may take the case under submission, either as a matter of practice, or to review the evidence, research a point of law, or consult an expert. Also, if you forgot to bring an important document or other evidence to court—for example, a written contract— the judge may allow you to bring it in promptly after the hearing so that it can be examined by the judge before a decision is made.

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It didn't seem like he needed to research case law for what you were talking about. You said nothing about anyone forgetting documents only that the judge was probably afraid of the gun slinger. That's why it doesn't add up for me, anywhere else the guy would get cuffed and stuffed in a cell and likely fined even more if he acted up in court. The whole thing sounds crazy.
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I have told the whole story. He wasn't a little guy. His son was right behind him. They both weigh close to 250lbs or more, and both are over 6' tall. My two workers aren't even close to 200lbs and neither one is 6' tall. They never even spoke to the customer, they just started loading up straps and material that was on the ground. He came out and started screaming at them. I am assuming he was afraid we was loading up and not coming back to finish the job. We had all intentions before this point of coming back to finish the job if the man would've paid me (which he never did). As for him feeling threatened enough to say he would go get a gun is simply not the case! This man didn't even feel threatened in court with the bailiff let alone two small guys!
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It didn't seem like he needed to research case law for what you were talking about. You said nothing about anyone forgetting documents only that the judge was probably afraid of the gun slinger. That's why it doesn't add up for me, anywhere else the guy would get cuffed and stuffed in a cell and likely fined even more if he acted up in court. The whole thing sounds crazy.
I do agree with you on that. All the Judge said was "I need to go over the evidence some more and make my decision later. You will be receiving my decision in the mail" Whom am I to argue with that?

Yes, It isn't something that is always done. NO, I don't understand why he did it. But I do have to just wait and see. I just didn't want to wait up to 2 weeks for a decision. It's bad enough that I have to have a decision at all, let alone wait on it.
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I do agree with you on that. All the Judge said was "I need to go over the evidence some more and make my decision later. You will be receiving my decision in the mail" Whom am I to argue with that?

Yes, It isn't something that is always done. NO, I don't understand why he did it. But I do have to just wait and see. I just didn't want to wait up to 2 weeks for a decision. It's bad enough that I have to have a decision at all, let alone wait on it.
You should be prepared for how to collect, sounds like you'll win and it also sounds like he's the type to make it difficult or impossible. Collection agencies take half if they can get it.

To me it's theft and should be illegal to not pay a court decision. The threat of jail would motivate most deadbeats.
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Right. There was another guy that was irate before my case, he was being evicted. The Landlord was standing waayyy far away from him, you could tell she was afraid. The guy was crazy, he was yelling at the Judge, the Baitliff kept telling him to back up and calm down. In my head, I was thinking "why is this guy not in handcuffs?" They also made him wait until the Landlord left and had enough time to make it to her car safely. I mean if you are going to act all stupid up in court then you should be arrested. I mean where is the respect?
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Oh Fvkk.

Weirdest story I've ever heard.

I'm more sure than ever now that Kentucky is a foreign country.

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I think the meaning would hinge on what a reasonable person hearing it might interpret it as, not what the speaker hoped it to mean. When you threaten use of deadly force it's on you to make sure the meaning is clear, not the receiver to sort it out. I think the court would find in favor of the recipient of the message in this case. We do have "Castle Doctrine" here in Kentucky, but I highly doubt pulling a gun over a bag of concrete on a trailer not owned by the homeowner would fall under it.

If that gentleman felt threatened by a two against one situation, he can say whatever he wants to protect himself. And no there is no law requiring you to make anyone understand you.

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I'm saying he wasn't threatened, he was the one threatening, and the law is "terroristic threatening". With Castle Doctrine you have no duty to retreat from your own home to defend yourself, but when you do retreat, coming back into a situation you claim was threatening to you physically with a gun might be questionable, especially when the whole thing arose from him taking materials off a privately owned trailer.
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I'm saying he wasn't threatened, he was the one threatening, and the law is "terroristic threatening". With Castle Doctrine you have no duty to retreat from your own home to defend yourself, but when you do retreat, coming back into a situation you claim was threatening to you physically with a gun might be questionable, especially when the whole thing arose from him taking materials off a privately owned trailer.


In saying we don't know the other side of the story. So you nor I know what exactly happened. That's my point.


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I think we all have customers like this one, although this guy seems more high strung and angrier than most. It's the typical situation. I bet this guy got 10 bids or at least acted like he got 10 bids to make the OP feel so lucky to get the work, fully knowing he wasn't going to pay, and obviously looking for any opportunity at a confrontation that would get him off the hook for full payment. This guy has done this before and will do it again to another unsuspecting contractor..........what a knucklehead.
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In saying we don't know the other side of the story. So you nor I know what exactly happened. That's my point.


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Don't make me go get my gun, means don't threaten me to a point I'll need it.


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no. It means "Don't make me go get my gun."

The would be "gun person" told somebody not to do a thing regarding material.

We know that.

If the desired response was not as expected, they should call law enforcement.

Be a pretty neat rick tho: as a boss tell somebody to hump some lumber and if you don't like the way they do it just say "Don't make me go get my gun."


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Ain't gonna stop people from chewing the bone.
Well, I was getting bored with this conversation, so I called the guy. He says he said, “Don’t make me get my gum!”

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