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Trade: Smaller general contracting
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Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
I have a customer who is sandbagging me on the final payment for a 170 floot privacy fence that I installed. She paid half up front....but is withholding the second half. She says that she is very happy with the fence.
Mechanics lien is OK......but that turns into a lawsuit and that gets expensive. I can remove half the fence very quickly and at least salvage material costs on the pickets and rails (I'm installing a fence at my own house). Does anyone have knowledge as to my rights in terms of removing work that is already installed? |
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Trade: Everything The Union Guys Do Not Want To Do
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed MaterialsQuote:
Who ACTUALLY made the physical PURCHASE of said Materials. You? They are yours. Her? And you will commit a Crime by removal. Larceny at the Least.
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I'm a Mac
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
You remove that fence and you will get yourself a new pair of bracelets, and a long date with Bubba.
You are looking at this personally, look at it as a business and you will understand better.
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
As much as it sucks, you would be the bad guy. Have to go the legal route. Time to foreclose on the lien.
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
Once the product is installed it belongs to her.
Remove it and you are stealing. In the eyes of the law anyway. Sucks but is what it is |
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
Why the refusal to pay?
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And I do electrical, too!
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
Material laying around on the job site belongs to the person who has paid for it.
Once it's installed, it's considered real estate and belongs to the property owner. Whether or not if you've been paid makes no difference. If you go rip up half the fence, you would then become a criminal.
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
i once kidnapped a customers new patio set after they were ducking me for 6 mnth!
and after they paid me CASH i left it on the main street 3 blocks from his house!! he was picking it up in his new BMW! OHHH THE YOUTH DAYS OF CONTRACTING!!! ![]() you could never get a way with this today! ask her nicely whats the problem, maybe she can make you payments,!
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
Do you guys actually know the answer to this question or is it conjecture? I'll bet the cop will tell her its a civil matter...
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General Contractor
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
You have a few options.
Try to resolve the issue... why she is not paying you. Sent her certified letter requesting that the amount is past due. If you don't hear anything within a week time. Sent her a second certified letter, requesting the balance payment within a certain time period (5 days), and if not received, a lawsuit will be filed for a breach of contract in the whole amount of your contract. (You do have one I assume?) That is a general rule of process in many states. Before you do all that ... I don't know what State you from, but if you must be a registered contractor to work in your state and you not registered... Say good buy to your money, nothing will help you, because you performing work illegal and that falls under Consumer Fraud act, as I am sure every state has that.
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
The removal of the property is not always a crime it varies.
But if you remove the property the job becomes unfinished. Then you create a legal matter for yourself not having the job completed. One post wonder probably a homeowner but I figure it may help out other contractors in this position |
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
REMOVE THAT FENCE IMMEDIATELY...ANYONE calls you, deny it. do NOT let her get away with this..i did this once a while back and did'nt get arrested..the police called me and i said i had no idea what they are talking about and refused to answer any further questions.i gave them the number of my lawyer and that was the end of it.
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And I do electrical, too!
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed MaterialsQuote:
However, if half her fence goes AWOL, it becomes a criminal matter. If the OP took it or some crack-head did, it's a criminal matter at that point.
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed MaterialsQuote:
...![]() or decorate it... ![]() Last edited by JonM; 06-10-2009 at 02:59 PM. |
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
/\ that is what I was thinking.. thought sparky would lend a hand at coming up with a way to have freak electrical fire that would burn down the fence
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
How will you be able to get the fence without her knowing?
File a lien, get an attorney. |
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
Flaming arrows?
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Tech Geek
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
Go ahead and rip it down, nothing will happen. Just make sure you post pictures of before and after here.
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Service & Repairs
Trade: Electrician
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Re: Cust Won't Pay...can I Remove My Installed Materials
We should all stop paying off our credit cards like customers do when they stick it to us without paying. Oh wait, if we do that we'll be screwed, not the credit card company.
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