[R&S Exteriors]

I've been researching old threats lately and I have noticed that some threads are harder to follow because you have people responding to other peoples "quoted" remarks, but the posts those remarks were quoted from have been deleted.

Example:
http://www.contractortalk.com/f16/am-i-hole-1416/

In the thread above everyone is quoting "Grumpy" and disagreeing with him (starting with post #7). But the actual posts from Grumpy are not there and I assume have been deleted for some reason.

It is somewhat confusing because the quotes appear to be statements from a larger post, but that whole post is no longer available.

Why were they deleted and what goes into the decision on whether a post should be deleted or if a poster can have their past posts deleted.

[Humble Abode]

Good question...

[Peladu]

What did I miss today?

Just seems like everyone has their sights aimed at Grumpy (today anyway).

Tell me, so I can be mad at him too and dig old nonsense up....

[R&S Exteriors]

Originally Posted by Peladu

What did I miss today?

Just seems like everyone has their sights aimed at Grumpy (today anyway).

Tell me, so I can be mad at him too and dig old nonsense up....

Not old nonsense. Just used this as an example. How can someone reading old threads get the whole jist of what is being said if posters posts are deleted?

Just asking a question so I know the rules

[Nathan]

I really have no idea.... I don't delete anything and if a post has broken a rule we move it to a trash bin instead of deleting it.

I know there have been some past members who didn't like the way they had been treated on the site by other members and so they would go back and edit their posts to remove the content which is why you see "" or whatever. They can't actually delete the content so they edit it out. There isn't much I can do to stop that.

As to why Grumpy removed his own posts you'll have to ask him. Maybe he didn't want something traced back to his company?

[Peladu]

Now you have me interested....because a mod shouldn't be allowed to delete their own postings (if that is what you are getting at)...

But did you see anything that was newer than 2004?
If you find any new examples, you really have me interested.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by Peladu

Now you have me interested....because a mod shouldn't be allowed to delete their own postings (if that is what you are getting at)...

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that normal users can't delete their own posts which is why they have to edit the content instead. Moderators can... I'm just not sure why.

[mdshunk]

It takes no special moderator powers to delete your own post. Pel, you can delete your own post too.

I've done it several times in the past. Write something you later regret or feel could be taken in a certain way and make you or your company look bad... it gets deleted. No apologies from me.

Grumpy is a class act, and I don't hold it against him one bit if he deleted some posts that may contain a little more information that he later felt comfortable sharing, or somthing otherwise regrettable. That's one of the beauties of VBulletin.

[R&S Exteriors]

I was interested because he is a moderator and the posts are entirely removed as if they did not exist and because what he was saying then about subs and GC's is totally different then what he is saying now in threads like "subs by the nads".

Nothing wrong with changing your opinion, we've all done that, but should a moderator be allowed to delete his old postings??

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by mdshunk

I've done it several times in the past. Write something you later regret or feel could be taken in a certain way and make you or your company look bad... it gets deleted. No apologies from me.

It does happen all the time although I don't encourage it specifically for the reason stated in the first post. Makes things confusing to follow.

But I'd edit my post too if I said something I didn't like.

Originally Posted by mdshunk

Grumpy is a class act

[R&S Exteriors]

Originally Posted by mdshunk

It takes no special moderator powers to delete your own post. Pel, you can delete your own post too.

I've done it several times in the past. Write something you later regret or feel could be taken in a certain way and make you or your company look bad... it gets deleted. No apologies from me.

Grumpy is a class act, and I don't hold it against him one bit if he deleted some posts that may contain a little more information that he later felt comfortable sharing, or somthing otherwise regrettable. That's one of the beauties of VBulletin.

That's fine but shouldn't the whole thread be removed so that people reading it two years later do not get half the posts?

[mdshunk]

Originally Posted by R&S Exteriors

... but should a moderator be allowed to delete his old postings??

Being a moderator is both thankless and unpaid. If one of the small benefits is being able to delete entirely every trace of your own post, then a mod should absolutely be permitted to do so. Without some small benefit, such as that is, there'd be even fewer reasons to want to help and be a moderator.

Quit nit picking, for Pete's sake. This isn't a democracy. It's Nathan's site, and he doesn't seem to mind a whole heck of a lot.

[Peladu]

mdshunk....believe me, most of my posts should be deleted
but, but, but ....no, you can not delete your posts (as a registered member) you can edit your posts and physically remove your verbage...for example remeber that ******** cdac? cdac did that.

But I do agree with R&S, even though the mods can edit the hell out their posts, they should not be able to completly wipe them out ...

go look up the ******** cdac who goes by a new name now, something like Bone Smoker or something?

[R&S Exteriors]

Originally Posted by mdshunk

Quit nit picking, for Pete's sake. This isn't a democracy. It's Nathan's site, and he doesn't seem to mind a whole heck of a lot.

Didn't know I was nit picking. I think Nathan runs a great site. That is why I am a member here.

Just asking a what I feel is a legit question sorry if it offended you in someway mdshunk, but I still think the thread should be trashed if many of the posts, that were being quoted, have been deleted.

Thats just my opinion

[mdshunk]

Originally Posted by R&S Exteriors

Just asking a what I feel is a legit question sorry if it offended you in someway mdshunk, but I still think the thread should be trashed if many of the posts, that were being quoted, have been deleted.

Hey, something is better than nothing! Do you throw out a pizza or a pie at your house when someone takes a piece and eats it?

[Peladu]

mdshunk....let him trash it...after all it is from 2004. No big loss.

But I don't pay the lighting bill for this place, what do I know.

[Nathan]

Basically, ANYONE can edit their posts to remove the content. I don't like this but its out there if anyone chooses to do it. This should only be used if someone makes an occasional post that they are not proud of and not to wipe out huge numbers of posts.

Anyways, what Grumpy did is really no different than someone editing their posts and removing the content. He just had the permissions to delete instead of edit.

Does that make sense? It's not any different with any member really.

[maj]

I'll make a comment about this. I started a thread a few days ago and Paul Burns was trying to hijack it. I persisted with Paul to just leave my thread alone as nothing he was trying to say pertained to the thread(I know, nothing new ), I left for the day and came back to check threads and had a PM from one of the mods. The mod had deleted all of Pauls posts and some others in reply to him. The mod explained that he would put them back up at my request.

For that mod

This particular mod (you know who you are) deserves a pat on the back for hearing my pleas' with Paul and others. And also for PM'ing me saying he could put them back if I wanted.

[mdshunk]

Originally Posted by maj

So sometimes the deletions are justified, but I'll agree that a mod deleting his own post for personal justification is not warranted.

Would it make you feel better if he just edited the content to just say "***" or something like that (which all of us can do)? The net result is the same. It's just quicker and easier when you can just delete.

[dougchips]

I found it easier to delete my company name in the profile area. Now I can say whatever I want and my clients will not know that it is me. So Grumpy can just change to "happy" and New Jersey Roofing.