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Old 11-13-2017, 05:39 PM   #61
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You and I are in different states with very similarly spelled names...
That’s what I was told by a building official. Never looked up the actual law. And I don’t go around telling the General public. Good to know it’s not true.
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Old 11-13-2017, 06:59 PM   #62
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Sure, it can be "fixed" but it's not like you're ever going to unsee what happened. If it was my house the builder would have to give me something back, if that part of the wall is repaired.






If it was my house,I'd tie a can on the back side of the contractor and run him off the site. This is probably indicative of how the rest of the job will go with him at the controls.
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1) I highly doubt it. The pour is dependent upon the ground terrain.

2) He's got money locked in escrow for that Lot.

Any descent lawyer would get him out of this deal.

If I was dropping $300,000 on one of his places, it better be defect free.

The "repairs" to the cracks will always be visible and are going to be nothing but a big negative that comes up in any housing inspectors report.

Nobody will want to buy this place down the road.
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The codes are very exacting regarding the unbalanced fill allowable against foundation walls. These are just some of the considerations; wall thickness,PSI of concrete,steel size,amount of,location of steel,soil / aggregate used in back fill and of course allowable of unbalanced fill such wall can accommodate etc.etc. This is just the tip of the iceberg paper on the subject.


http://www.cfawalls.org/downloads/CF...tion_Walls.pdf


As the old saying goes "a good concrete job costs a lot of money,and a bad one costs even more ".
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That better not be all they do.
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Today I sent some pictures of the damaged wall for my engineer to look at, and his response was that the wall can not be repaired because of how it was cracked and bowed by the soil pushing towards the wall, due to heavy equipment driving parallel to the wall and backfilling.He also stated Epoxy isn?t a permanent solution and after a few years, there would be leaks. The only viable solution would be to re-pour the wall.
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Sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with your engineer, that wall can be repaired.
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A lot of silliness going on here.

Cold pours and blowouts and excavator fukups are a fact of a life.

You fix them.

A whole lot of "coulda, woulda, shoulda" happened here, mostly because "somebody" was trying to push the schedule and backfill before framing and makes you wonder whether there was even a backfill inspection. Definitely makes me wonder what they used for backfill (the soil in picture is way too heavy), and if proper drainage bed was done...


Regardless, its definitely fixable.

"Crack is always going to show. Wall will leak after some (***) time. Will devalue the home."

So, crack is going to show. Instead, replace the wall. Well hell THAT new wall - wherever it joins - THAT's going to show to - yes?

"Wall will leak after some time." I have paid dozens of times to have leaking wall cracks sealed via epoxy injection.

But here's the real deal: The wall is supposed to be waterproofed along its entire run. There's no need to rely on the epoxy to seal in this case - because whether you repair or replace, that entire wall is going to need aLL the backfill dug away.

"Devalue the home." Nonsense. Before the blowhard and ignorant and largely unregulated home inspector industry came along, hardly anyone paid attention to repairs. Today it is simpler. You get an engineer to spec the repair and sign off.
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Today I sent some pictures of the damaged wall for my engineer to look at, and his response was that the wall can not be repaired because of how it was cracked and bowed by the soil pushing towards the wall, due to heavy equipment driving parallel to the wall and backfilling.He also stated Epoxy isn?t a permanent solution and after a few years, there would be leaks. The only viable solution would be to re-pour the wall.
You still haven't said where you are, or what you do.

If you cannot trust your builder to fix his **** ups - why in the **** did you hire him?

You say you work in steel. Sh!t happens man, you know that. What are you a **** ing virgin?
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A lot of silliness going on here.

Cold pours and blowouts and excavator fukups are a fact of a life.

You fix them.

A whole lot of "coulda, woulda, shoulda" happened here, mostly because "somebody" was trying to push the schedule and backfill before framing and makes you wonder whether there was even a backfill inspection. Definitely makes me wonder what they used for backfill (the soil in picture is way too heavy), and if proper drainage bed was done...


Regardless, its definitely fixable.

"Crack is always going to show. Wall will leak after some (***) time. Will devalue the home."

So, crack is going to show. Instead, replace the wall. Well hell THAT new wall - wherever it joins - THAT's going to show to - yes?

"Wall will leak after some time." I have paid dozens of times to have leaking wall cracks sealed via epoxy injection.

But here's the real deal: The wall is supposed to be waterproofed along its entire run. There's no need to rely on the epoxy to seal in this case - because whether you repair or replace, that entire wall is going to need aLL the backfill dug away.

"Devalue the home." Nonsense. Before the blowhard and ignorant and largely unregulated home inspector industry came along, hardly anyone paid attention to repairs. Today it is simpler. You get an engineer to spec the repair and sign off.


Of course anything can be "fixed". But do you want a house "fixed" or do you want one done correctly start to finish. This isn't just a punch list item.

If you bought a new car and the dealer is driving it around to the front for you to take home and runs into a light pole in the parking lot, do want him to say "Don't worry we can fix that damage".

F... No! I want another one is what I would tell him.
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Really, if I was the GC I'd be asking the excavator what he plans on doing about this. He can call his insurance company.
He should have known better.
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A lot of silliness going on here.

Cold pours and blowouts and excavator fukups are a fact of a life.

You fix them.

A whole lot of "coulda, woulda, shoulda" happened here, mostly because "somebody" was trying to push the schedule and backfill before framing and makes you wonder whether there was even a backfill inspection. Definitely makes me wonder what they used for backfill (the soil in picture is way too heavy), and if proper drainage bed was done...


Regardless, its definitely fixable.

"Crack is always going to show. Wall will leak after some (***) time. Will devalue the home."

So, crack is going to show. Instead, replace the wall. Well hell THAT new wall - wherever it joins - THAT's going to show to - yes?

"Wall will leak after some time." I have paid dozens of times to have leaking wall cracks sealed via epoxy injection.

But here's the real deal: The wall is supposed to be waterproofed along its entire run. There's no need to rely on the epoxy to seal in this case - because whether you repair or replace, that entire wall is going to need aLL the backfill dug away.

"Devalue the home." Nonsense. Before the blowhard and ignorant and largely unregulated home inspector industry came along, hardly anyone paid attention to repairs. Today it is simpler. You get an engineer to spec the repair and sign off.


Of course anything can be "fixed". But do you want a house "fixed" or do you want one done correctly start to finish. This isn't just a punch list item.

If you bought a new car and the dealer is driving it around to the front for you to take home and runs into a light pole in the parking lot, do want him to say "Don't worry we can fix that damage".

F... No! I want another one is what I would tell him.
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Sometimes - and this is one of them - the crowd in here sounds more like nervous jervis homeowners from diychat, instead of contractors.
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Of course anything can be "fixed". But do you want a house "fixed" or do you want one done correctly start to finish. This isn't just a punch list item.

If you bought a new car and the dealer is driving it around to the front for you to take home and runs into a light pole in the parking lot, do want him to say "Don't worry we can fix that damage".

F... No! I want another one is what I would tell him.
A house isn’t a car. A car is manufactured inside a controlled environment with highly processed and engineered parts. A house is mostly cheap wood and dirt assembled outside in every condition imaginable.
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Really, if I was the GC I'd be asking the excavator what he plans on doing about this. He can call his insurance company.
He should have known better.
Close. My first call would be to my wall man.

"Hey homey, take a look. What's the game plan here?"
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A house isnít a car. A car is manufactured inside a controlled environment with highly processed and engineered parts. A house is mostly cheap wood and dirt assembled outside in every condition imaginable.

...that you as customer are paying for a professional to do the job correctly start to finish.
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Close. My first call would be to my wall man.

"Hey homey, take a look. What's the game plan here?"

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I hope OP doesn't bail out on us.
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...that you as customer are paying for a professional to do the job correctly start to finish.
So all of your jobs are done 100% without defect from start to finish?
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I think it's safe to say that I don't think there's anyone here who was involved in a project that came out perfect. Caulk and putty, they're my buddy
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I think it's safe to say that I don't think there's anyone here who was involved in a project that came out perfect. Caulk and putty, they're my buddy


I agree with you........to an extant. Are we talking about some trim nails missing putty or a few trowel marks on the slab,or this foundation problem ?


As I mentioned in a previous post this screw up would not give me a whole bunch of confidence in the builder. Not to mention the points raised by others regarding what type if any waterproofing was used and was it well drained back fill placed or clay from the excavation. The answer to those questions would determine how fast I would want to divorce myself from the builder. Could possibly be a blessing in disguise.

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