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sivak

I don't see how you could be to blame,after all a structure should be designed water tight at the wall line no matter what.Unless you made the water run into the house at the gutter to eave connection they just have some bad building practices.On a project that or any size in todays world,it should not leak,no matter what the heck it's made out of...

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nlgutters

Not from the roof. You can stand inside its coming in about a ft below the roof line. By sealed do u mean chincked? If so they did that a week ago.

RayGoerdt

sometimes during drying the logs will split along a grain line, in rare instances, the split will go most or even all of the way thru the log.

I have seen one time where the ho claimed window flashing was bad and causing water leaks inside, but it turned out to be a severe check line in the log that allowed the water to run thru the log and into the cabin.

nlgutters

Could be. Either way its a big problem. I just cant believe that water just leaks in like that. On a regular sided house that would never happen

dirt diggler

NL

are you truly worried??

Gutters or not - sounds like the house leaks. Kinda like blaming the ambulance for not putting out the fire.

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RayGoerdt

If this was my job, I would be concerned, not to the point of losing sleep but I would certainly try to find out how and where the water entered. It is often times not enough just to say it is not my fault some times you have to be able to demonstrate it. although the gutters may not be the total problem, they may have been a contributing factor in this situation because they may have directed extreme amounts of water to the building that it would not normally have to deal with.

nlgutters

100% agree. Yes they didnt help the situation at all bringing all the water too one area. They have a problem and this really just brought it out. This winter will prove that. A couple of ice dams built up next to all the walls and it will be pouring in.

But still they look at me like its all my fault. I think it will be fine after thety calm down. they had a bad day today. The ground was frozen and with 4" of rain the water was about 1' deep around the house. They had to just open the tops of the permiter drains to let the water out.



Just listening to the news we got 4" of rain today. They weather yesterday said we would get showers.

RayGoerdt

love that weather forecast!

Burby

I have to agree with the above. All the litagation work I have done, I would be amazed if you could be held liable for anything based on what you explained.. lol, if you are gutting the inside of a any home, log cabin or not, how can you or anyone be held liable for moisture intrusion if you have not worked on the outside of the home??? This is where I get my kitty look from.. lol
And the other thing is, log cabin or otherwise, unless before codes were enforced, how did this ever get a C/O is weather is able to gain entrance to the interior?? While gutting if not before, there had to be signs of previous moisture intrusion and was this ever mentioned to you while considering the job?
Something is not right here...

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Burby

--=oop si daisy, I guess I should have looked to see if there was a page 2 before I posted a reply.. lol, but I guess because it amazed me as it did, I had to reply..

But you just stated the answer above.. "They" chinked a week ago. It is "they" that needs to be concerned as "they" where responsible for the dry in. And as long "they" did not work for you, you have no worry about responsibility. "They" may want to contact their insurance company or double check their agreement / contract.
If this has added any cost to you from delays to any losses, note them.
And hopefully regardless of everythig else the job can move forward.

Is there a Prime, or General Contractor on the job or are the H/Os handling everything?

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RayGoerdt

He is Gutter ing, not gutting

Burby

ohhhhh gutt er ing, as in installing rain gutters, seamless gutters, ect.. So sorry, my many apologies, seriously said & thanks for clearing that up for me.. I knew I needed to get new glasses and is a good reason for me to make a point to get some today, thank you..

Still, answer is the same in most respects, in my opinion, not his fault or problem, though shows he does care about his work to care about something beyond his control.
Gutter companies, like window & door companies seem to take the blame for so many things beyond their control.
For this reason I stopped having gutters installed on all new homes I built. I would offer the H/O names of reptuable installers "they" could hire after closing, but not as a part of the build.
In the Southeast, if it is wood and not treated, it can & will rot in turn attracting termites & lawyers. Even after switching to treated lumber for the facial, I still would not have gutters installed as part of the build, because someone would blame the gutters for paint peeling behind them. Have diverters installed on the roof above doors, that is it.
Windows & doors, I would work with my installer and inspect each opening for proper wraping & flashing installs.

Thanks again for clearing that up.

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Ten Fingers

Log homes are fantastic if the builder knows what he's doing.

RayGoerdt

Very true

Any news on this situation?

tinner666

I was under te impression log homes had 18" to 24" overhang at the eaves?? If so, the roof is leaking or the gutter end is dumping water on the ends that have the 'lincoln-log' look. Pics would be helpful.

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framer6262

Just wondering what everyonelse is getting per ft of seamless gutter/ downspout?

Celtic

Slightly less than blown in insulation.

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RayGoerdt

Depends, if its aluminum I get the going rate per pound at the recycle yard, if its vinyl, I have to pay to get rid of it.

inthegutter

Nl- What size gutters did you use and why did they clog/overflow? I've seen similar situations caused from using 5" gutters where 6" were needed. If the water flowed to the drain, it should have flowed through it. Either way, the house should never have leaked like that.

Tom Struble

silicone on wood? were the logs prefinished?