Adding A Bathroom To My House In Minneapolis - Side Job

mplsrob79

I was wondering if anyone on the forum is from Minneapolis or a nearby suburb. I'm looking to add a bathroom to the upstairs of my 1.5 story house. I would like to pay cash, and in turn get a better deal on the labor costs. If you know are interested, or know of anyone that is qualified and interested, please email me. mplsrob79@yahoo.com

Thanks,

Rob

AAPaint

I'll absolutely die if you get a lot of responses from this forum for something like that. I hope our contractors here take more pride in running a legitimate business than they ever would doing cheap jobs on the down low.

Who knows, maybe there are a few hacks hanging around here to gain knowledge from the pros, and you'll get a bite or two. For the majority of our community, we are CONTRACTors. Meaning, you'll sign a contract before most of us will even think of doing work for you. I don't even consider a job for our schedule until the contract is signed and in my hand.

I notice you mention paying cash to get a better deal on labor costs...what does that mean? All my customers pay cash, check, or money order/bank draft. We don't accept credit cards, but you wouldn't expect to pay more just for charging it, right?

This post just sounds like someone fishing for an il-legitimate contractor or hack to get a serious project done dirt cheap. I think you should reconsider. The type of person you're post is going to attract is not the type that should be trusted to tear apart your house and build something else on. You need someone licensed who will pull the proper permits, and has insurance to protect your ASSets.

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Mike Finley

If Moss was still playing for the Vikings you might have an incentive to get me up there if you threw in some club level seats to a game. But that would blow your plans of saving some dough on the job.

Glasshousebltr

Isn't it funny how the Vikes and eagles both lost their no 1 WR, then the quarterback right after.

I say ship TO to Oakland too. it would be Interesting to watch.

Bob

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mplsrob79

I noted it as a side job, as in extra work outside of your normal work hours/company. What I am looking for is an experienced person that would like to make some extra money. Whether they pay taxes on their income from this job is their own decision. My guess is they wouldn't, and paying cash without any paperwork would allow them to just pocket the cash. By being lenient on work hours, anc the ability to cut out "uncle sam" I am looking for a cheaper labor rate. I guess I don't know what the big deal is. It gives someone who needs supplemental income a job, or if someone is laid off for the Winter. I get cheaper labor than going with a company that has to pay a bunch of overhead costs built into my job. From my point of view, it's a win-win situation.

I work in IT, and do work on some friends/co-workers computers and home networks for a fraction of the cost that Best Buy or Geek Squad would charge. I don't mind doing this, I get a little extra cash.

I guess I don't know what the big deal is. If you aren't interested, don't respond. I'm looking for someone who might be interested, not getting flamed for try to give someone a side job, and at the same time saving myself some money. I'm looking for a professional, and will pay them the appropriate amount for a side job. I'm not looking for a hack that would like to experiment on my house.

Thanks,

Rob

Grumpy

BOOOO HISSS. You Sir, are what we call in the contracting world a fly-by-night, a jack legg, a scab, or a crook. Take your pic. People in the contracting world that do what you do actually are a scurge to the industry and lower the going rate (average price charged) making it hard for the honest business man, who plays by the rules, earn an honest living.

You don't know what the big deal is? You are asking and encouraging someone to BREAK THE LAW.
Unfortunately you are probably not going to find a professional willing to break the law, what you will find is a hack.

Hey on the bright side I assume if you are willing to pay cash you also will not want any paper work... In addition when this hack messes up your house there will be no reason to pay him.

mplsrob79

Grumpy - Your name is very fitting!!! Lighten up a little and enjoy life. Getting a decent deal for myself and letting someone earn extra cash isn't the end of the world as we know it. Many professionals in many professions do side jobs/extra work for supplemental income. I see no need to include the government or high overhead costs in this project. I going to guess that you aren't interested, so I won't be holding my breath that you are going to be visiting my house anytime soon.

Thanks,

Rob

Grumpy

Rob yes I am very interested. Please send me your full name and address so I can forward it to your local building department and the IRS.

Hey think of it now... Chances are you will be hiring someone's employee to do a side job, hence the name "side job". Chances are this guy will not have insurance because he is someones employee and doesn't need insurance. Chances are when he burns your house down from improperly sweating a copper water pipe and ctaches some framing on fire it will be YOUR INSURANCE that build you a new house... but hey at least you are going to get that new bathroom one way or another.

Think this kind of thing doesn't happen?

It does. It happened to my neighobr who hired a plumber to replace her hot water heater. This guy caught a stud on fire when sweating a copper pipe and subsequently she lost her entire kitch and bathroom. It doesn't stop there, 3 of her neighbors also lost their kitchens and bathrooms as well.

Thank God she had common sense, something you seem to lack, and hired a fully insured business to install her heater. If she had hired a scab it would have been her insurance paying to removel 4 kitchens and bathrooms.

We all reap what we sew, and I forsee you coming onto this forum or another forum like this one, about a month from now crying because your remodeling project went wrong. "Boo Hoo Booo Hoo. Whoa is me. My unlicensed and uninsured contractor messed everything up!"

mplsrob79

By posting this and offering a side job, I assume the risk and am willing to accept this. Thanks for the well wishes on my project!!

cdac

mplsrob79, I'll gladly do your project, just send your cash (at least $10,000 should do it) to me, As soon as I recieve it we'll get started right away

kenvest

comparing your average bath addition to a typical "geek squad" gig isn't making you any freinds here.

contactors don't live in a virtual world.

mplsrob79

Hi Ken,

I just thought I'd try to see if anyone near Minneapolis was interested in a side job. My intention wasn't to piss everyone off.

I agree that the time involved for a "Geek Squad" job isn't the same as the time involved for a bathroom addition. I guess I'm a little perplexed by your view that computer/IT work is done in a virtual world though. I've done side jobs off hours for businesses that has spanned multiple months. I also have projects at work that last over a year. Anything that requires actual time, skill and labor isn't considered virtual, in my view. Just because it doesn't include "hard labor" and a lot of physical output doesn't make it virtual. Do you regard an accountant, a pharmacist, a CIO, a CFO, or a CEO's job as virtual job? They don't regularly do much "hard labor". I guess what I'm saying is your view of other professions is fairly ignorant if you think you have to physically build something or move a piece of earth to make it a "REAL" job and not a "Virtual" job.

Thanks,

Rob

Knyte260

Kenvest may have been out on a limb with the "virtual job" lol.

Anyway, back to the problem with your idea here - You are looking to pay substantially less than market going rate, and receive the same quality worksmanship. They don't mix. No matter how you word it or what you throw into the mix.

Most customers are able to pay cash. It doesn't really qualify for a discount. The weekends thing also doesn't much apply, I'm sure most guys would prefer to do this during their normal workweek.

Anyway, as harsh as everyone here is coming off, take it as a warning for yourself. The way you are approaching this is just begging to get burned. You are going to end up with some guy who gets cash, undocumented from you, probably with no contract... Forget about top notch service. You will lose in the end. Very few jobs go (especially a new bathroom) by without a hitch.

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Knyte260

I'd like to see how "willing" you are to accept the risk - 3 months in when your bathroom is still less than halfway done, and some of the procedures for building a bathroom have been done incorrectly, and you are paid ahead of schedule and not getting returned phone calls...

Not many people know "willing to accept the risk"

You sound just as careful with your money as any other person in the world. To say you are willing to accept the risk means you'd have no issue getting burned entirely on this deal.

Mike Finley

Rob buddy, here is the conundrum:

Professional remodelers don't due side jobs. The job in the side job is their profession. Get it? Professional fireman do bathrooms as side jobs. No matter how you think you have this figured out, no professional is going to bite on it.

You will only get non-professionals to sniff around this, but you would be better off posting it at a DIYer site and get somebody who has just enough knowledge to be dangerous.

Unfortunately, that is all that you will attract, it is the nature of the proposition you are presenting. Sorry, but that's the facts.

kenvest

IT is virtual in my world because i feel that we virtually don't need all this computerization in the world today. i know i have little use for it other than the pleasure of sharing good information with like minded people. i'm sure you'll say that the world we live in couldn't run without it but IMHO our world needs to change a little.

but ignorant boy, thats not the point i'm trying to make.

you don't just log out of a bath addition and leave the place looking like you found it. building a bathroom isn't contained on a disc or stored in a little box. you don't push plumbing across a desk, ask for a signature, fax it, file it and forget about it....

believing that you can do a second story bath addition parttime is foolish because it's very intrusive. parttime would essentially mean saturday which in turn means it would take probably 4 or 5 times longer than the 30 to 60 days it could take in any normal business scenario.

working in the evening?? the time needed to stage up a good work environment makes that unrealistic.

i'm sure you won't be going out of town. i'm sure your wife won't get tired of me running up and down the stairs looking for a tool i would normally leave on a job but can't because i needed it on my other gig....

i'm sure you're vanity won't be getting damaged because you just couldn't wait to buy that right piece.

i guess we would need to practice the Japenese art of JIT inventory...meaning that because there isn't anywhere for me to store materials i'll have to make 5011 trips to the store to buy a little at a time.

virtual.......

Mike Finley

Did you see the Randy Moss interview at the beginning of the week? They asked him what playing for Oakland would be like for him if TO came there, he said he wouldn't know because if TO came there, he wouldn't be their anymore.

Them bad boys don't like to share the bad boy spot light.

The line in Vegas has Denver as the #2 best odds to pick him up. I hope not, but Shanahan has the track record for trying to run his own private Boys Town like father Flanagan.

Also it is just hilarious to me how Moss just acts dumbfounded everytime a reporter compares him and TO to each other. Those bad boys also don't like to be compared to each other I think!