Bidding Next Thurday

Jason Whipple · 02-05-2009, 03:23 PM

After throwing out a ton of promotional emails this week about our new shop location and it's capabilities, we were invited to bid this project in Troy, NY.

We'll need to completely remove, re manufacture, and replace this cornice on the whole side of this street.

The netting was attached last year when a piece fell off into the side walk. This is going to be a tough one to bid. Lot's of carving work to do, but everything else is pretty straight forward. It's all made from wood.

Wish me luck!

Jason Whipple · 02-05-2009, 03:24 PM

Some similar profiles across the street.....

Jason Whipple · 02-05-2009, 03:27 PM

More repairs.....

Al Taper · 02-05-2009, 03:38 PM

It looks like a good project. What are you going to use to get up there? Hope you get it.

**Cole** · 02-05-2009, 03:38 PM

Holy ****! What a portfolio job, that one would be!

Wish you luck, buddy!

Mike(VA) · 02-05-2009, 03:53 PM

Looks like the buildings are circa 1890 - 1910. I'm sure the city and building owners just love the liability the've got. I watched work like that in my town a couple of years back (I had a shop in one of the buildings). Scaffs everywhere. Poor GC didn't screen the outside of the scaffs didn't tarp too well on one building after the cornice was removed. Rains waited until then to come in and the guys were always dropping stuff on cars.

Good luck, should keep you busy for a while and, yes, very good exposure for your business. If you get it, get the local press involved. Makes for good copy to put in your advertising.

mnjconstruction · 02-05-2009, 03:53 PM

yikes, that one would scare me!!!!

Jason Whipple · 02-05-2009, 03:56 PM

Thanks guy's,

I'm honored just to be invited to bid this work, it's not your typical construction work so the invitations were few.

The netting really sucks and makes it hard to see things. I'll need to add all the "what if's" into the price for sure!

MALCO.New.York · 02-05-2009, 03:59 PM

You can use Prefabbed Polymeric Plastics injected with expansion foam that will be a Breeze!

Or you can Go LPC with stuffs like this...

http://www.spartanbuild.com/mouldings.shtml

http://www.nps.gov/hps/tps/technotes/PTN32/solution.htm

Or 300K+ for REAL Craftsmanship.............

Jason Whipple · 02-05-2009, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MALCO.New.York

You can use Prefabbed Polymeric Plastics injected with expansion foam that will be a Breeze!

Or you can Go LPC with stuffs like this...

http://www.spartanbuild.com/mouldings.shtml

http://www.nps.gov/hps/tps/technotes/PTN32/solution.htm

Or 300K+ for REAL Craftsmanship.............

I'm afraid not! This is a registered Historic District. It's all gotta be just like it was when I'm done. No plastic allowed, not that I would even think of it.

Mike(VA) · 02-05-2009, 04:05 PM

Hey Jason. You didn't mention if any of the buildings are on the Historic Register or in an historic district. If they are, I would be checking to see what you will be allowed to do or not do before you bid. May be no problem, but you start with one set of assumptions, then the ARB (Arch. Review Board) comes by after you start and says you have to replicate conditions using same materials and methods, color, etc. There goes your profit.

MALCO.New.York · 02-05-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason W

I'm afraid not! This is a registered Historic District. It's all gotta be just like it was when I'm done. No plastic allowed, not that I would even think of it.

That is why I placed the LAST SENTENCE.

Because I know how you do what you do!

The correct way!

Mike(VA) · 02-05-2009, 04:06 PM

Crap, took too long to post. Beat me to it.

SLSTech · 02-05-2009, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason W

Thanks guy's,

I'm honored just to be invited to bid this work, it's not your typical construction work so the invitations were few.

The netting really sucks and makes it hard to see things. I'll need to add all the "what if's" into the price for sure!

Congrats & what if's = change orders

Good luck on this one & I hope you get it

MALCO.New.York · 02-05-2009, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MALCO.New.York

That is why I placed the LAST SENTENCE.

Because I know how you do what you do!

The correct way!

You can have this done CNC for a Fraction of the Money!

Jason Whipple · 02-05-2009, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MALCO.New.York

That is why I placed the LAST SENTENCE.

Because I know how you do what you do!

The correct way!

I know, but do you think 300k is enough?

MALCO.New.York · 02-05-2009, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason W

I know, but do you think 300k is enough?

Honestly...........Depends on HOW and WHO you hit it with!

Jason Whipple · 02-05-2009, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike(VA)

Hey Jason. You didn't mention if any of the buildings are on the Historic Register or in an historic district. If they are, I would be checking to see what you will be allowed to do or not do before you bid. May be no problem, but you start with one set of assumptions, then the ARB (Arch. Review Board) comes by after you start and says you have to replicate conditions using same materials and methods, color, etc. There goes your profit.

They have specified Northern white pine and/or Hem fir for the replacement materials. I've expressed my concern about this already, but was asked to bid as is. I would rather use Cyprus or Western red cedar personally. It would out last pine by a long shot. I wouldn't even consider Hem fir because it cracks.

Whats wrong with these Archi's?

Mike(VA) · 02-05-2009, 04:24 PM

What's on there now? No matter what they spec, if what's on there is better, such as cedar or cyrpus, you may have a case to use that material since it IS correct. However, sometimes those old guys used what was nearby such as beech, ash, or even birch.

Jason Whipple · 02-05-2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike(VA)

What's on there now? No matter what they spec, if what's on there is better, such as cedar or cyrpus, you may have a case to use that material since it IS correct. However, sometimes those old guys used what was nearby such as beech, ash, or even birch.

I'm sure it's a mix of stuff. The difference is old growth vs new growth lumber, not the same at all. Growth rings on old growth lumber is much closer than todays crap.

The buildings were built in 1804. I just want it to last another 200 years+ if it has my name on it so using the same type of materials won't really do that by todays lumber standards. I need to use heartwood that has good resistance to rot and bugs, like the old stuff did.

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