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Old 06-28-2009, 09:07 PM   #21
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Say what ya want but I expessed my feelings I was there I got to meet the ppl. A couple of guys were interested in ATV as I am. We may end up shareing some info and trails in this area. I can't believe that ppl that weren't there know more than I do about what went on the ppl that I met and the good time that was had by all. These ppl that were invited were customers already no selling was done no pressure was added to anyone. The seminar lasted 45 minutes and was helpful, at least to me.

What a stupid question how much was I paid? How much did you want me to get paid? If I had gotten paid to write that it would have been here the next day instead of several days later as I didn't have time to post it. Some of you show real intelligence its not hard to see why you can't make it work.
Sorry but the more I listen to, the more I wonder about the mentality of some of the complainers. Sure there are bound to be complaints the company is big for some reason, I am sure many complaints are legit. One guy I talked to said he started 5 years ago, there were 300 employees. Last year there were 900 and now there are over 1000, with markets opening up over seas in a couple of foreign countries. I've never had a customer complain about how many calls they had. Had one tell me on a fence job that I was only SM person to reply. I recall one guy (contractor on this site) that complained that he got leads while he was on vacation. When it finially all came out he had shut off leads for 15 days well before leaving for vacation. Instead of going in and extending the leads off. He just went on vacation and was mad that he got leads after they were turned on. Well DUH ! that terrible SM should have known he was going on vacaton even though he hadn't shut off leads for that time period. This is the kind of complaint you base your decision on!

Since I've never had anyone that was a lead that had 50 calls, I've never been over charged on credit card without my approval. Sure I have had leads that were just shopping around, for crying out loud is SM leads the only place this happens? The other day at LOWES I was looking for a window had to wait as salesman was working with a woman on her purchase. He did all the paper work layed every thing out for her. Her reply was thanks but I think I'll wait awhile. Wonder how many times a day that happens? This is the real world not some fairly tail land where each customer has a pocket full of money and can't wait for you and only you to take it. No matter where a lead takes you or don't that is another person that knows you are out there. They may not need you right now but there is a chance that down the road they may use you, or pass your name on to someone else. Every lead I get is someone that most likely I would never had known to exist. With over a thousand workers and growing there are some ppl that are doing good and are well satisfied. I was told that they had spent well over 24 million just on buying key words. Gee wonder where that money came from if no one is useing the leads.

Please don't try to insult my intelligence by telling about the DOG and PONY crap. Come on I am most likely far older than you I have been around the room a few times over the years. I sat down talked to several of these fine ppl I got to know a little about each of them. They had no reason to BS me as they get my money all ready. Never at any time was business talked about, other than the tour that I took with my personal guide. He explained each department and it's purpose or operation, he showed me how big each was. It is pretty apparent that the complainers are not real busy as they have all this time to complain. The happy folks are like me out working and free time is limited.

How many of you have pissed off a customer no matter how hard you tried? How many ppl did they tell about you, bet everyone that would listen got an ear full. Make a customer happy they will tell some ppl but not near as many as they would if unhappy. Just HUMAN NATURE, thats the way it is.

Several of you complain about SM but have never used the service, you rely on someone that you ran across here on the site and take his word as being written in stone. Then you infer that I am stupid! YEAH RIGHT, the pot calling the kettle black. I have been there done that, I am there now and am doing that. My experience is first hand it is not second hand info that who knows what really happened. Maybe the guy got rejected because he didn't have the license that is required or insurance certificate or didn't pass a BG check. Now he is pissed at SM, it is all there fault, and you buy into it without having a clue as to what the real true is. Surely you JEST!

Are there things that happen that aren't up to par? I am sure there are but a company has waaaaay to much to lose by trying to rip off ppl for a few measley bucks, they have to be far smarter than that to have gotten this far. Think what ever it is that you must think, ask stupid questions I will try to answer them. Make stupid statements and I will try to answer them also. It's ok for many of you to be pissed but whoa is me, that has the nerve to stand up and tell it like it is for me from my perspective. Till you have walked a mile in my shoes, save the sourchasm (spelling) for another day, I shared my experience as it was a good one for me, apparently none of you were there so how do you really know what went on?

Have a nice day!
Wow!! seriously how much?

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Old 06-28-2009, 09:10 PM   #22
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I was invited by phone and e-mail the other day to a function at the home office of SM here in COLORADO. It was a BBQ and a seminar combined. I was real interested in the seminar because it would be by DAN LUPBERGER he has authored several books on marketing and I had no doubt that I could learn some thing new.

As I pulled into the parking lot across the street I could see a tent several BBQ grills going and many ppl with blue "T" shirts on milling around. The blue shirts were SM "T" shirts with company logo on them and each person, myself included had name tags.Tables were set with table cloths and a sign that said "sign in here". As I signed in I was handed a nice gift bag, but the biggest thing was how friendly the ppl were. They were genuinely glad to see me. Many introduced themselfs and shook my hand, they made sure I knew what all was going on.

The food was awesome we had to eat inside because of the rain. By this time I had gotten to talk to a couple of the guys for quite some time. I have never been in a large company that I felt more welome than I did here. All I could think was Gee these are really great ppl and all are so friendly. I just wish all of you could of had the chance that I had, I know it really opened my eyes. One nice looking gal took several pics while we were talking, bet they are hanging on the wall now. I really felt at ease it was as if I was at a family reunion, but these ppl liked you.

Had chance to talk to several ppl from SM, I never heard a bad word about the company in fact it was quite the reverse. More than one told me that they had never worked for a company that treated them better than SM had. This was backed up by showing me things on a tour through the different departments where they were rewarded for special things each week. From what I gather there are weekly meetings that all employees attend and give their thoughts on how things can be improved. SM seems to not only listen to the employees but also us as consumers, to see if there is some way to improve things or the way they are done. Since I have been with them I have seen many changes in the web pages and it seems that once I learn the new way, things get easier for me.

The tour was interesting as each department duz a certain job, ppl are trained for a specific operation and that is their job. If the question or what ever is out of their realm then it is passed on to where it belongs. Did I mention just how at ease I felt with these great ppl?

I have to admitt that I have been a supporter of SM since the begining, but they have gotten me to where I am at today. The time spent there the other evening was time well spent for me. Besides getting to meet some really great friendly ppl I also learned from the seminar.

When ppl put SM down it is like they are kicking us, that feel good about them in the stomach or are saying we are to stupid to know what we are doing. If only all of you could have the chance to meet these great folks as I did, you would maybe understand far more about SM and how it really operates. These ppl are just like your neighbors your friends your relatives, I really enjoyed them all.

Sure not everyone will get the desired results, but there can be any number of reasons why it works for one and not another. As big as SM is they are sure to make mistakes can any of us claim that we don't? Magnify that many times over and thats where SM is. I've been around many large corporations over the years never have I been at one that made me feel more welcome than I did the other nite. I am sure there are the employees that hate their job, but by a large margin the ones I talked to liked the company and what they were doing. You could hear it in their voice you could see it in their faces, you could feel it as you talked to them. It was nice to put a face with several voices I had talked to over the phone before.

No I do not work for SM, I work for myself as a self employed HANDYMAN. I love what I do and am happy with where I am rght now. I don't use any other service I don't advertise in paper or phone book as I am to busy with leads from SM. Look me up on SM (JERRYS FLOORS) look at my profile and the rateings and reviews that I have gathered over the last couple of years. I enjoy learning how I can better market myself and do better than I am. Maybe some day I can cut the umbilical cord from SM but for now I need it.

I just wanted to share my experience from the other evening, it was a great time well spent with some awesome ppl. I know next time someone from there calls I will have more respect for them. I get calls every once in a while from SM, checking to make sure I am happy do I need any thing. Is there any thing they can help me with, such as ppl that don't answer calls. They have gave me several suggestions on how to raise the odds in my favor with that. When was last time the yellow pages called to see how you are doing. Throw an add in the paper you are one of many, no one could care less who you are, only that you pay your bill on time.

SM has helped me launch my own WEB SITE, the calls come to me directly not through SM, no charge for these leads. But still they helped me get it going, it is an experiment to see how this will work. It has had results already. Going thru the SM site there is a ton of knowledge that is geared to us as contractors on how to market our selfs how to sell a job plus a number of other things. If we are a success SM will be a winner also. It is a win win situation for all of us. They have been advertiseing in the DENVER area on radio and TV to try drum up even more business.

If you come on the site see the negative post and decide that it is not for you, why is it you don't listen to us happy customers and give it a try? I don't care either way if you use SM or not it don't gain any thing for me I don't get a cut. I just get tired of being made out to be a fool because I use a lead service that works for me.

At the close of the evening there was a door prize drawing along with some folks that received special mention for long time service a great rating and review. One guy had over a 1000, gives me some thing to shoot for. There were home contractors there were plumbers, electricans, appliance service man, landscapers plus some others I have no idea what they did. Many had brought their wives all in all a great time. Best part was, I won a set of tools worth about $300.

Thanks SM from bottom of my heart I really enjoyed the evening thank you!
I got a picture of the party right here..............
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I hear they made you feel real good at the Jones compound, too.
Right before they asked you to drink the kool-aid...

http://www.rationalrevelation.com/tr/lovebomb.html
That is so true!!!

They all say the same thing no matter what the problem is. Same protocol, same wording, same rational. Even when you get to the supervisors, they all say the exact samething, in the same order.

I'm really starting to wonder if they are from this earth, or maybe just here to take over the world!




we just won't know until it's to late!
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As long as I can keep depositing checks in the bank it is ok with me.
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I wonder why they didn't ask any contractors from the east coast to come and drink the cool aid. David C would be a fine contractor to discuss things, and maybe myself.

All things to the side I think SM should be part of a businesses ad campaign with other things.

I still use the emails from the contacts I reached or not, but do get alot of remove me from your newsletter returns from constant contact. The people who want to opt out have been overwhelmed by the SM telemarketers. The old saying is there anything else you might want to do to your home ???? and bang its off to the races even if the contact says they want it in five years,,THAT IS WHAT PISSES OFF THE HOMEOWNERS, THE CALLS FROM EVERY TRADE THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO USE IN THE FUTURE!!!!!!.

ARE YOU LISTENING THERE SM GUYS, I KNOW YOUR READING THIS SITE EVERY DAY?????

SM is now going out to screw every contractor around the world, just like Bernie Madoff and there are no laws to stop it from happening.

Sooner or later it will end just like the in house gold parties, everyone will be sold there wil be no more contractors to be bilked out of their money.

They forget who is paying them, it's not the homeowner?
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Steve, if you'd still like for me to call I will gladly do so. Please give me a number and a time to call and I will contact you.

Thanks for your time,

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He got the meat, all I got was the SM bone!
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Call me if you want. I am heavily networked with other contractors and I can't seem to find many guys tell me anything good about SM, so when asked about your service I tell them to get a separate credit card if they are thinking about signing up with you, and cancel the card if unexpected charges appear.
I also tell them to definitely not give any card number to a few of your competitors.
I'm sure you have happy clients, but you can't deny the hundreds (thousands) of vocal and angry customers that have left SM.

Want a honest and equitable exchange? I promise I would give you that, if I can't, then I would keep our conversation private. Then its back to discussing what I hear from people I know and trust.

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SMSupport, that is as decent an offer as you can ask for. Paul is an open minded cat.

I would like to hear the details of that conversation as I am constantly called by one of your rep's. He is very good and I find myself wanting to take the plunge, I have not because of the negative's that far out number the positives I have read about, here and MANY other places.

Truth be told, I subscribe to the theory that SM is better for my type of work (Handyman jobs) than it would be for almost any other type. The leads are inexpensive and the cost of the work for the customer is inexpensive. It is logical to think that "Handyman" is doing well with SM, I feel I would do well also.

I fear the taking over of phone number's, websites, google searches, false charges, fighting for returns for bad leads, bs leads, leads given to 10 other handymen, old leads resold, leads that are not really leads and end up pissed at me, not SM, that's enough for now.

SMSupport, throw a call towards Paul, if he can be convinced that SM is not the crooked company it is depicted to be, I'm sure there are a lot of us that would maybe reconsider.

If what was stated before (ankle bracelet still on, felon, no license, no insurance and SM still wants to send leads to him) then SM is what everyone has said it is.

Go for it Handyman, I feel it is really working for you, just keep your eyes on your charges, stay on top of bad lead credits and you may do great.

Paul, can you let us know if they do call, even if you have to keep the rest of the conversation to yourself?
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Handymanservice, send me your number and the best time to call and I'll conference the both of you in on the same call if that's ok with the both of you.

Paul, I'll call you tomorrow if that's ok.

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Service Magic called me today.
We had a decent conversation.
There's a lot to this Service Magic stuff. 1st is the large number of upset contractors and the lack of SM supporters. SM claims they care and they are working to fix things, on the other hand we aren't seeing this.

SM claims a large (majority) group of happy campers who are apparently quiet in their defense. They also claim that used properly its a good service that can enhance your business. I would like to see my brothers in the trades be happy with this, or not use lead generation services.

My conversation was pleasant and went well, neither SM or myself pushed any issues although we did discuss them. I promised to keep an open mind, nothing more, nothing less.

There is an experiment I will perform in a month or so, if they are being honest I will post it, if not being honest or improved I will post that. I won't budge from delivering a blunt appraisal of what happens.
This means one side or the other may not be happy, but the post will be factual.

Last week I posted a story about a lead service wanting top sign me up even though I told them I was under house arrest for spending down payments and not doing the work. It was not Service Magic. You would know the company if I named it, but I don't want to start another front that I have to respond to. All for now.

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Watch out for the kool aid, silver tree.......
Drink it all the time, it was better in the 60's.
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HandymanService, seeing as I have sheep on the back lot I like your signature line.

We now return you to our regular intellectual exchange.

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Thanks for posting Paul, Good luck with your experiment, I can't wait for the results.
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Service Magic has to be doing something if they have been in business since I signed up for it back in 04'. I learned how to work SM to the point where my small investment with them has paid me back huge. My example,

10 buck lead for one single french door back in 05', I charged $125 bucks to install it.

06' get a call from a friend from that door job wants a kitchen done=)

07' get more calls from friends of that kitchen job to install 2 more kitchens

08' get a call to do a small but nice kitchen

09' I got an entire home renovation incluing adding a 30k bath on the 3rd floor.


Common sense says that 10 buck lead from SM was worth it.

One more example, interior door lead, 15 bucks, turned into 50k worth of renovations, 3 baths and 1 kitchen. That 15 buck lead was worth too.

I understand they stink in a lot of ways too, but they have always credited my account if I really felt the lead was bogus.

The only thing I'm wondering as I write this is if they now need all PA contractors to have there HIC number since the law becomes effective today, July 1st
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In regards to any organization.
NARI (National Association Remodeling Industry) claims its members are highly professional and ethical.
I know members who are slimeballs.

NAHB / NKBA same thing.

My take is don't claim you qualify members if you don't, and people should realize bad eggs slip through any system regardless of how stringent you enforce. Just think of CT, would you hire everyone who posts here?

The whole lead gen thing has built in flaws like over selling leads and a lot of bad leads. Problem is, you call me and I qualify you on the spot, and save time and money if you don't meet my minimum criteria. With a lead gen its $$$ whether they have the budget or not, no qualifying.

In regards to my conversation with the SM guy, like it or not they are successful and SM employees have families and needs just like the rest of us. The SM guy told me they had 12,000,000 leads to sell last year and their return rate is 40%. (That's from memory).

If a model could be placed that contractors were happy with that's a lot of work to go around. The problems though will be difficult to amend, no company that's making money installs sweeping changes to their business model, I know I wouldn't.

I don't see how this will work and I'm skeptical when dealing with any organization that puts homeowners and service providers together. That's serving 2 masters and that means one master or the other will feel they are being under served.

If anyone wants to know what I'm doing, PM me and I'll tell you the little test I will be trying on SM. It will be fair and I'll be taking notes.
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