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Methinks thou doth protest too much...
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They all say the same thing no matter what the problem is. Same protocol, same wording, same rational. Even when you get to the supervisors, they all say the exact samething, in the same order. I'm really starting to wonder if they are from this earth, or maybe just here to take over the world! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() we just won't know until it's to late!
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Trade: HANDYMAN/Floor covering
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As long as I can keep depositing checks in the bank it is ok with me.
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Trade: Home Improvement/Remodeling
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Trade: We perform landscape design and construction
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I wonder why they didn't ask any contractors from the east coast to come and drink the cool aid. David C would be a fine contractor to discuss things, and maybe myself.
All things to the side I think SM should be part of a businesses ad campaign with other things. I still use the emails from the contacts I reached or not, but do get alot of remove me from your newsletter returns from constant contact. The people who want to opt out have been overwhelmed by the SM telemarketers. The old saying is there anything else you might want to do to your home ???? and bang its off to the races even if the contact says they want it in five years,,THAT IS WHAT PISSES OFF THE HOMEOWNERS, THE CALLS FROM EVERY TRADE THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO USE IN THE FUTURE!!!!!!. ARE YOU LISTENING THERE SM GUYS, I KNOW YOUR READING THIS SITE EVERY DAY????? SM is now going out to screw every contractor around the world, just like Bernie Madoff and there are no laws to stop it from happening. Sooner or later it will end just like the in house gold parties, everyone will be sold there wil be no more contractors to be bilked out of their money. They forget who is paying them, it's not the homeowner? |
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Steve, if you'd still like for me to call I will gladly do so. Please give me a number and a time to call and I will contact you.
Thanks for your time, Shawn strammell@servicemagic.com |
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Trade: Landscape Contractor
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Lancaster, CA
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He got the meat, all I got was the SM bone!
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Certified Remodeler
Trade: Kitchen bath remodeler
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Oaks,MN
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Call me if you want. I am heavily networked with other contractors and I can't seem to find many guys tell me anything good about SM, so when asked about your service I tell them to get a separate credit card if they are thinking about signing up with you, and cancel the card if unexpected charges appear.
I also tell them to definitely not give any card number to a few of your competitors. I'm sure you have happy clients, but you can't deny the hundreds (thousands) of vocal and angry customers that have left SM. Want a honest and equitable exchange? I promise I would give you that, if I can't, then I would keep our conversation private. Then its back to discussing what I hear from people I know and trust. Paul 612-788-5584
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Multi-tradesman defender
Trade: Handyman
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Tracy, CA
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SMSupport, that is as decent an offer as you can ask for. Paul is an open minded cat.
I would like to hear the details of that conversation as I am constantly called by one of your rep's. He is very good and I find myself wanting to take the plunge, I have not because of the negative's that far out number the positives I have read about, here and MANY other places. Truth be told, I subscribe to the theory that SM is better for my type of work (Handyman jobs) than it would be for almost any other type. The leads are inexpensive and the cost of the work for the customer is inexpensive. It is logical to think that "Handyman" is doing well with SM, I feel I would do well also. I fear the taking over of phone number's, websites, google searches, false charges, fighting for returns for bad leads, bs leads, leads given to 10 other handymen, old leads resold, leads that are not really leads and end up pissed at me, not SM, that's enough for now. SMSupport, throw a call towards Paul, if he can be convinced that SM is not the crooked company it is depicted to be, I'm sure there are a lot of us that would maybe reconsider. If what was stated before (ankle bracelet still on, felon, no license, no insurance and SM still wants to send leads to him) then SM is what everyone has said it is. Go for it Handyman, I feel it is really working for you, just keep your eyes on your charges, stay on top of bad lead credits and you may do great. Paul, can you let us know if they do call, even if you have to keep the rest of the conversation to yourself?
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Re: SERVICE MAGIC Now The Rest Of The Story
Handymanservice, send me your number and the best time to call and I'll conference the both of you in on the same call if that's ok with the both of you.
Paul, I'll call you tomorrow if that's ok. strammell@servicemagic.com |
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Certified Remodeler
Trade: Kitchen bath remodeler
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Oaks,MN
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Service Magic called me today.
We had a decent conversation. There's a lot to this Service Magic stuff. 1st is the large number of upset contractors and the lack of SM supporters. SM claims they care and they are working to fix things, on the other hand we aren't seeing this. SM claims a large (majority) group of happy campers who are apparently quiet in their defense. They also claim that used properly its a good service that can enhance your business. I would like to see my brothers in the trades be happy with this, or not use lead generation services. My conversation was pleasant and went well, neither SM or myself pushed any issues although we did discuss them. I promised to keep an open mind, nothing more, nothing less. There is an experiment I will perform in a month or so, if they are being honest I will post it, if not being honest or improved I will post that. I won't budge from delivering a blunt appraisal of what happens. This means one side or the other may not be happy, but the post will be factual. Last week I posted a story about a lead service wanting top sign me up even though I told them I was under house arrest for spending down payments and not doing the work. It was not Service Magic. You would know the company if I named it, but I don't want to start another front that I have to respond to. All for now.
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Trade: Mason contractor
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Diamond Quality Masonry, Inc. | Chicago, Illinois, 60487
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Trade: Professional Pie and Pastry Taster
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Re: SERVICE MAGIC Now The Rest Of The Story![]() Watch out for the kool aid, silver tree.......
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Certified Remodeler
Trade: Kitchen bath remodeler
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Oaks,MN
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Re: SERVICE MAGIC Now The Rest Of The Story
Drink it all the time, it was better in the 60's.
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HandymanService, seeing as I have sheep on the back lot I like your signature line.
We now return you to our regular intellectual exchange. Good Luck Dave
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Multi-tradesman defender
Trade: Handyman
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Tracy, CA
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Re: SERVICE MAGIC Now The Rest Of The Story
Thanks for posting Paul, Good luck with your experiment, I can't wait for the results.
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Pro
Trade: Home Improvement Contractor
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bensalem, PA
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Re: SERVICE MAGIC Now The Rest Of The Story
Service Magic has to be doing something if they have been in business since I signed up for it back in 04'. I learned how to work SM to the point where my small investment with them has paid me back huge. My example,
10 buck lead for one single french door back in 05', I charged $125 bucks to install it. 06' get a call from a friend from that door job wants a kitchen done=) 07' get more calls from friends of that kitchen job to install 2 more kitchens 08' get a call to do a small but nice kitchen 09' I got an entire home renovation incluing adding a 30k bath on the 3rd floor. Common sense says that 10 buck lead from SM was worth it. One more example, interior door lead, 15 bucks, turned into 50k worth of renovations, 3 baths and 1 kitchen. That 15 buck lead was worth too. I understand they stink in a lot of ways too, but they have always credited my account if I really felt the lead was bogus. The only thing I'm wondering as I write this is if they now need all PA contractors to have there HIC number since the law becomes effective today, July 1st |
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Certified Remodeler
Trade: Kitchen bath remodeler
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Oaks,MN
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In regards to any organization.
NARI (National Association Remodeling Industry) claims its members are highly professional and ethical. I know members who are slimeballs. NAHB / NKBA same thing. My take is don't claim you qualify members if you don't, and people should realize bad eggs slip through any system regardless of how stringent you enforce. Just think of CT, would you hire everyone who posts here? The whole lead gen thing has built in flaws like over selling leads and a lot of bad leads. Problem is, you call me and I qualify you on the spot, and save time and money if you don't meet my minimum criteria. With a lead gen its $$$ whether they have the budget or not, no qualifying. In regards to my conversation with the SM guy, like it or not they are successful and SM employees have families and needs just like the rest of us. The SM guy told me they had 12,000,000 leads to sell last year and their return rate is 40%. (That's from memory). If a model could be placed that contractors were happy with that's a lot of work to go around. The problems though will be difficult to amend, no company that's making money installs sweeping changes to their business model, I know I wouldn't. I don't see how this will work and I'm skeptical when dealing with any organization that puts homeowners and service providers together. That's serving 2 masters and that means one master or the other will feel they are being under served. If anyone wants to know what I'm doing, PM me and I'll tell you the little test I will be trying on SM. It will be fair and I'll be taking notes.
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