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Old 02-15-2008, 12:32 PM   #1
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Vinyl Over Ceramic Tile?


hey guys, my mother finds the ceramic in her new kitchen cold and hard- asked if i could put vinyl over it- preliminary research says no- anyoine lknow how it could be done?
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:10 PM   #2
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Do-able yes but the scenario has to be right,,,,low budget or time restraints are usually involved,,,You need to clean VERY good,the ceramic must be sound,skimcoat with a feather finish to eliminate the grout lines from showing through,prime,install best quality vinyl with best quality glue and use common sense to let you know if the ceramic surface is just too glossy to grab, but by being on the floor in the kitchen I doubt it,,

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......and this procedure is going to make the floor warmer???
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Drastically, haven't you ever laid down on a vinyl over tile PROCEDURE????????????

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thanks! it sounds promising! what is "best quality vinyl and glue"- I assume thicker is better?- can they not be got at home depot? ( I just did a floor with 1/8 inch armstrong VCT - $.68 each- I didn't like the way they want to fall apart so easily, though- try to cut with wiss type cutter, they just break into about 1/2 inch pieces!) I'm sure my parents can afford better tile. Also, I forgot to say she doesn't like the pure whiteness of the ceramic tile- shows dirt! ( I guess it looks for for selling the house!)
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......and this procedure is going to make the floor warmer???
Doubtful.

Tell her to put on socks.
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Try looking for one of the newer fiberglass backed vinyls that can be loose laid. IVC, Flexitec, Earthscapes, Balta are some common names. Go with the higher end lines and I would still skim the entire floor with Ardex Featherfinish.
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It will take a minimum of two skimcoats, to emboss the grout lines and tiles texture.

Last one I had to do like that I said never again. I had to bust the lipped tiles. and not just skimcoat, but screed and then skimcoat twice, letting it dehydrate and shrink, each time. With a surface sanding and primer before the vinyl was full spread.
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Exactly Floordude, great post.
People never take the shrinkage into account, especially when your filling something as large as a grout line..

It is actually less time to demo the tile.

I say less time not less work or blood
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Try looking for one of the newer fiberglass backed vinyls that can be loose laid. IVC, Flexitec, Earthscapes, Balta are some common names. Go with the higher end lines and I would still skim the entire floor with Ardex Featherfinish.
Do you do alot with these floors? I have loose layed about 30 or so jobs with the stuff and love it. But the brand we are using alot, Fiberfloor by Tarkett is starting to lean towards having us full spread with a regular felt backed vinyl adhesive. Im suppose to do that Monday with about 80 yds and Im a little nervous.

I just have bad memories of cusioned backed vinyl
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Do you do alot with these floors? I have loose layed about 30 or so jobs with the stuff and love it. But the brand we are using alot, Fiberfloor by Tarkett is starting to lean towards having us full spread with a regular felt backed vinyl adhesive. Im suppose to do that Monday with about 80 yds and Im a little nervous.

I just have bad memories of cusioned backed vinyl
Yeah I've installed quite a bit of it. If its over a 12x10 I full spread it, but with a pressure sensitive, NOT a felt backed adhesive. Imho the stuff is actually more work to install correctly than a good old fashioned felt back, if its in anything other than a small drop room. Double cut all seams or it WILL gap, or be too full. Let the product acclimate as it does shrink/swell...I don't care what the marketing bs says about it being "so stable".
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Do you just drop it into the pressure sensitive wet?
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You can, Mike. I prefer to let it flash off, for two reasons. 1. Wet setting it will make it pretty much permanent , once it dries. Iow no peeling it back for repairs, shifting, etc. which you can do if its flashed. 2. It will bubble like all hell and show every footprint or indentation and will overall just be "squishy" until it cures....some customers are just too damned worrisome for me to have to deal with telling them 200 times "it'll be ok, its normal" until it does what I say it'll do.
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Thanks, I will be putting these words into practice tomorrow morning.

As I said Ive done a ton of this stuff as a loose lay using power tape on the seams. This will be my first full spread and the retailer got me the Tarkett full spread glue.

I think Ill bring along a pail of Peach Glue and try that in the upper bedroom that has a 18 ft seam first. Thanks!

Sorry for the thread hijack folks!
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no, this interests me totally- I'm still not sure what you're talking about- I haven't been able to figure out how to get the videos from the sites that show how to install, etc- maybe because I have a mac? this loose lay sounds like it has great potential for quicker installations that the one I just did in a kitchen and bath ( took me five times as long as I expected)
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"I just have bad memories of cusioned backed vinyl"

what was wrong with cushion backed vinyl?
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