Staple Recommendation - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

JonM · 02-10-2009, 01:46 PM

What size staple is recommended for this 1/2" floor?...and will a pneumatic flooring nailer penetrate the hard Brazilian wood without any trouble? Sub is 5/8 ply...

http://www.lumberliquidators.com/cat...productId=6589

the big 12 inch · 02-10-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JonM

What size staple is recommended for this 1/2" floor?...and will a pneumatic flooring nailer penetrate the hard Brazilian wood without any trouble? Sub is 5/8 ply...

http://www.lumberliquidators.com/cat...productId=6589

1-1/4 or 1-1/2" should get you through the subfloor...Which should be at least 3/4" ply or OSB...Good luck!!

s. donato · 02-10-2009, 08:53 PM

first of all the subfloor is not going to be supportive enough IMO. also thats a engineered wood so its only a few MM thick of the actual tigerwood, so the stapler isn't going to have an issue. most flooring staplers are 1" and they are remmended for 1/2 floors so a 1" with the proper stapler should be fine.

however, i am more concerned about subfloor then the stapler/staple. i would glue and screw another 1/2" layer of ply over the existing.

again this is just my opinion. good luck

PA woodbutcher · 02-11-2009, 06:15 AM

With only a 1/2" flooring, I will third the add another layer of subfloor.

JonM · 02-11-2009, 07:43 AM

If I add another 1/2 inch ply then the 1/2 inch flooring it will screw up all the thresholds leading to the other rooms...(marble leading to the bath, carpet in 1 bedroom, and adds an inch to the top step)

the big 12 inch · 02-11-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JonM

If I add another 1/2 inch ply then the 1/2 inch flooring it will screw up all the thresholds leading to the other rooms...(marble leading to the bath, carpet in 1 bedroom, and adds an inch to the top step)

Even though the 5/8 is a little thin you can probably get by with it...I have done it a few times over the years...I would make sure the subfloor is screwed down tight and lay the floor against the joists if possible...

s. donato · 02-11-2009, 09:55 AM

what is the use of the room? you say bathroom so i assume second floor bedroom or similar?

12 inch is probably right you can get by with it laid perpendicular to the joists but if its a first floor living space that parties could potentially be an issue - redo your thresholds. it may be easier then worrying about the flooring coming apart in a couple of months.

as for for steps if they are carpeted pull the carpet back on the top three steps then add spacers to the steps to build up those steps gradually so your one inch gets absorbed you may have to add some carpet to the top riser when the carpet is reinstalled. if the steps are wood then your screwed ;-)

honestly i think its less of an issue about the subfloor being strong enough i would worry more about the flooring not lasting. i would try to talk the HO into a 3/4 solid wood so that there is no need to do anythign with the subfloor. you will have better control then and would probably never run into an issue.

one thing i would do is with what ever you choose mark all your joists and try your best to get the seems in the traffic areas to fall on the joists so you don't have week spots in the floor think about the squeking down the road.

JonM · 02-11-2009, 12:45 PM

The place I will be installing the floor is in a condo on the third floor bedroom and hallway...garage on the first floor and kitchen and living room on the second. Their are no children, just a single women who weighs in at about 110...I had already planed on securing the sub floor with screws, as the floor squeaks. I also am going to lay the floor perpendicular to the 2 x 10 16 oc joists. It's to late to suggest 3/4" flooring as the flooring has been ordered already.

My question is (see photo) I have access to two guns, one shoots a 1" 21 gauge staple and the other one shoots a 15 gauge 2" (shown below) staple. The smaller one seems to not penetrate deep enough and the other one seems like it might tear up the flooring while installing it...what are your thoughts here?

fixitpete · 02-11-2009, 02:07 PM

That doesn't look like a flooring stapler, is it?

JonM · 02-11-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fixitpete

That doesn't look like a flooring stapler, is it?

If you are refering to the smaller stapler...Yes it is...

http://www.bostitch.com/default.asp?...2&TYPE=PRODUCT

s. donato · 02-11-2009, 04:06 PM

the big one you could probably get a 1-1/2" staple for it. i have used the 1-1/2" in my bostich flooring stapler MIIIS
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS.../sdonatocom-20
i found that you need to add some material to make the shoe fit the flooring right. but you really need a different gun b/c the 15ga is really too big.

if i use a different nailer - i will only use 18ga flooring nailers not the 21 ga.
i think you need this one http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS.../sdonatocom-20

JonM · 02-11-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by s. donato

the big one you could probably get a 1-1/2" staple for it. i have used the 1-1/2" in my bostich flooring stapler MIIIS
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS.../sdonatocom-20
i found that you need to add some material to make the shoe fit the flooring right. but you really need a different gun b/c the 15ga is really too big.

if i use a different nailer - i will only use 18ga flooring nailers not the 21 ga.
i think you need this one http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS.../sdonatocom-20

I was afraid of that...but I think instead of buying a new gun for 300 buck...I do own one of these... http://www.amazon.com/Bostitch-SX150...4388154&sr=1-2 It takes an 1 1/2" staple and the area I have to do is only 330 square feet...Think it could be done?

Floordude · 02-11-2009, 08:15 PM

This is funny!!

Has anyone clicked on the link to the flooring??

That is a floating only clic lock floor. Don't even try to fasten it down!!

Mike Costello · 02-11-2009, 08:47 PM

Nope, just an engineered , can be nailed or glued

Id use my Powernail e cleats

fixitpete · 02-11-2009, 10:19 PM

Brand: Schön
SKU: DURENBK5
Finish Warranty: 30 years
Trade Name: Muiracatiara
Botanical Name: N/A
Janka Rating: 2160
Width: 5"
Thickness: 1/2"
Construction: Engineered
Installation Type: Nail/Glue
Sq. Ft. Per Box: 46.59
Hardness Rating: N/A
Waste: 10%

the big 12 inch · 02-12-2009, 08:12 AM

I use this for 1/2 and 3/8"...$200 brand new...it will be a major pain trying to use your 90 degree stapler...you'll see!!!

JonM · 02-12-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by the big 12 inch

I use this for 1/2 and 3/8"...$200 brand new...it will be a major pain trying to use your 90 degree stapler...you'll see!!!

What is it?

s. donato · 02-12-2009, 09:42 AM

90 degree stapler will be a PITA.

since its a small job why not just rent one of the ones 12 inch or i suggested?

but the specs on your stapler say its for upto 1/2 so technically you should be okay. would i use that stapler? no but its your job so if you think its secure enough move on to the next one.

one thing you could look at is - you could always glue the T&G and/or add some glue to the subfloor as you go. the good thing is you will not need to clamp it since you are stapling it to. just an idea.

JonM · 02-12-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by s. donato

90 degree stapler will be a PITA.

since its a small job why not just rent one of the ones 12 inch or i suggested?

but the specs on your stapler say its for upto 1/2 so technically you should be okay. would i use that stapler? no but its your job so if you think its secure enough move on to the next one.

one thing you could look at is - you could always glue the T&G and/or add some glue to the subfloor as you go. the good thing is you will not need to clamp it since you are stapling it to. just an idea.

Actually I did take your advise and bought the Bostitch SX150-BHF-2...When it came down to it, my professionalism overcame my frugalness...

...hey, you can't have enough tools...correct...thanks again for the help.

...and the guy at my local tool store gave it to me for the same price as Amazon...

Mike Costello · 02-12-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JonM

What is it?

Mannington Monster gun, made by Spotnails