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Old 12-09-2008, 10:45 AM   #1
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Any of you guys ever use any kind of perimeter caulk when doing floating laminate flooring? I noticed the floor guy at a house I recently did work at had some. I assume hewas going to use it to fill in the gaps around the perimeter of the rooms he installed a floating floor in. I have been to ask this for a while now.

I wouldn't think this would be necessary if the floor was done right, not only along the walls, but at the doorways around the jams also.
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Old 12-09-2008, 11:04 AM   #2
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it's cheap insurance.
should be done in kitchens and bath's but why not everywhere?

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Even on 1/2 to maybe 3/4 gaps around the doorjams and along the walls where maybe shoemoulding might not cover it? Seems to me even if you got a "matchihng" color, there would still be a sheen difference. Or was that sarcasm? He had a jam saw, and I do not understand why the areas around the doorjams were gapped like they were. Or were you being sarcastic?
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only place i ever used caulk in this type of installation was along bathroom saddles
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Even on 1/2 to maybe 3/4 gaps around the doorjams
There should be no gaps around door jambs. The jambs should be undercut with a jamb saw and slid under.
Only hope is to redo it, or fill in with color fill. But it may take a bunch of tubes. It will still be VERY visible.
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I've only caulked the perimeter in Kitchens (Around the cabinets).. I have been asked to, and refused to install wood, and laminate in bathrooms in the past. I'd rather walk away from it, then be called back because of moisture related issues in the future. IMO only ceramic, or Vinyl should be installed in a bathroom..
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Economy is too sucky to walk away from anything here in New England.


Just last week I put some engineered cherry in a bath. I tried to talk them out of it but the lady of the house was insistant . She saw it in a magazine and thats what she wanted. End of story.


So I glued it with Bosticks Best, glued the joints with Titebond and nailed it with my Powernails L cleats. Then I caulked around all edges and the toilet flange with some Phenoseal marine caulk.

Wont be my fault when it fails
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I'd rather walk away from it, then be called back because of moisture related issues in the future
That just doesn't make too much sense at all.
I have not seen a moisture issue come back to the installer unless they did not follow manufacturer instructions...so why worry about it?
Tile and Vinyl only in a Kitchen/Bath?
I can see recommendations maybe but not ONLY!
I am happy to hear you are able to walk away from jobs. Some people here are not that lucky.
That's good news for you.

I just disagree that only 2 floors should be put in any area.
Tile is cold, hard and is bad for the elderly because of their bones and fumbly fingers at times.
Vinyl is crap with no value at all.

Tile is durable and waterproof and Vinyl is cheap.
But by no means is it stupid to consider any other options.
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Wont be my fault when it fails
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That just doesn't make too much sense at all.
I have not seen a moisture issue come back to the installer unless they did not follow manufacturer instructions...so why worry about it?
Tile and Vinyl only in a Kitchen/Bath?
I can see recommendations maybe but not ONLY!
I am happy to hear you are able to walk away from jobs. Some people here are not that lucky.
That's good news for you.

I just disagree that only 2 floors should be put in any area.
Tile is cold, hard and is bad for the elderly because of their bones and fumbly fingers at times.
Vinyl is crap with no value at all.

Tile is durable and waterproof and Vinyl is cheap.
But by no means is it stupid to consider any other options.
I'm sure I could've expanded on other options of flooring. However, Hardwood Flooring, and Laminate Flooring do not belong in a bathroom. You can glue the perimeter, and use the best adhesives on the market, it will not stop the floor from buckling in the future.

I've seen a couple dozen cases where hardwood, and Laminate flooring have failed in a bathroom. Show me an example of a reputable laminate or wood flooring manufacturer that warranties their product in a bathroom, and I might consider doing them in the future.

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Economy is too sucky to walk away from anything here in New England.


Just last week I put some engineered cherry in a bath. I tried to talk them out of it but the lady of the house was insistant . She saw it in a magazine and thats what she wanted. End of story.


So I glued it with Bosticks Best, glued the joints with Titebond and nailed it with my Powernails L cleats. Then I caulked around all edges and the toilet flange with some Phenoseal marine caulk.

Wont be my fault when it fails
Actually Mike, it will be. If they take you to court, the judge will side with them, because, you as a the professional should know better. Will the manufacturer of said engineered flooring back the warranty if the floor fails?

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I've seen a couple dozen cases where hardwood, and Laminate flooring have failed in a bathroom.
Your on the East coast!
What about all the wood that has been in Bathrooms for years!?
New York
Boston
New Hampshire
FLORIDA!

I have replaced ALL flooring because of flooding. Even tile because the flooding affected other things and required replacement.
No need to not recommend flooring because of floods.
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Show me an example of a reputable laminate or wood flooring manufacturer that warranties their product in a bathroom,
Armstrong, Wilsonart, Quickstep...ect...ect..
not for floods though.
No, there is not one manufacturer of ANY product that warranties because of flooding.


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Actually Mike, it will be.
No it will not be. Unless the instructions required some other form of install.
There is not a Judge on earth that will blame an installer for flooding.



Look....I know what you are saying. I just disagree about ONLY.
I can agree that is would be better for long standing moisture to go with sheet Vinyl or Tile.
But I do not agree that an installer can be blamed for moisture issues.
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I can agree that is would be better for long standing moisture to go with sheet Vinyl or Tile.
But I do not agree that an installer can be blamed for moisture issues.
With that logic, I guess its safe to throw away my moisture meter, and while I'm at it, forget acclimating the products, I always hated delivering the flooring 2 weeks early anyway.

BTW, I'm not talking about "flooding"... There is "long standing moisture" and high humidity levels in a bathroom, which is harmful to wood and laminate products.... You can choose to install in these conditions knowing the floor will fail in the future, but I will not just for the sake of getting a job, because times are slow.

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There should be no gaps around door jambs. The jambs should be undercut with a jamb saw and slid under.
Only hope is to redo it, or fill in with color fill. But it may take a bunch of tubes. It will still be VERY visible.
My thoughts exactly.

The thing I can't understand is he had a jamsaw. No idea why he didn't undercut all the jams so he could make nice square cuts and slide underneath.

Not really surprised after he explained to me how he fix a spongy place (dip) in the floor by nailing the laminate. I think that kind of kills the floating floor aspect.
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For what it's worth, I've never seen a solid wood floor in MA, ME or NH. I've seen wide pine plank floors in VT and VA. The wide planks ones move so much that I think the water just drains under them into the basement or into the sub-flooring.

In reference to laminate flooring, I have yet to see a job that I liked in kitchens or bathrooms (after it's been installed for a while). Since I'm seeing it after the installation and I am not there to inspect it I'm not sure if it is installer error, crappy product or just failure due to normal kitchen and bathroom moisture.
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With that logic, I guess its safe to throw away my moisture meter, and while I'm at it, forget acclimating the products
ok ok I see how technical you are...allow me to restate

Installers will not be liable for moisture issues if they stick to manufacturer recommendations and standard install practices.

That means that lam and wood is still a viable choice.

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BTW, I'm not talking about "flooding"... There is "long standing moisture" and high humidity levels in a bathroom
High humidity in a normal bath will not kill a floor, and longstanding moisture can be dealt with by the consumer.

All I am trying to say, is that it can work and work fine. Hundreds of thousands of people can't be wrong
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There is a little thing called due dilligence.

Where I took many steps to safegaurd the floor and strongly recommended against it I like my chances

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You serious? May be a bit of a stretch but I can say I see it at leastonce a week here in NH
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Once a week in New Hampshire alone?!

OK maybe millions then.

I saw some houses in New Hampshire this year.
What an incredibly beautiful place to live.
I was in awe.....
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for the last ten years builders have been putting sand and finish hardwood in kitchens and half baths here pretty regularly.

Personally I dont really like it but I am certainly not going to put myself out of that market by refusing to do it.

As long as it is acclimated and installed properly I really cant see the liability issue for an installer that is doing it for a retailer.

Im sure Alaska is a beautiful place to live as well, I will make it out there some day

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