Outdoor carpet on concrete, glue or double side tape? - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

BACKWOODS · 05-26-2008, 07:16 PM

New referral calls me today wanting me to put down indoor /outdoor carpet on a 9X16 screened in concrete porch. I suggested glue down around the perimeter. She said a neighbor used double sided tape on theirs. Anyone have experience with the tape in an area that will get wet from the rain, etc?

**genecarp** · 05-26-2008, 07:50 PM

i would think adhesive would be better, but i would love to hear if anyone has thoughts on this.

wizendwizard · 05-26-2008, 08:28 PM

Well to be honest, the double sided tape wouldn't work for long. The fibers would hold together for a few years. Although I dont think the adhesive would last that long. Plus the constant traffic and heat from sun exposure would wipe it out after the first season.

Glue down will need to be done under entire surface, again traffic and heat would wipe it out pretty fast if it is done only on the perimeter.

Demonseed · 05-27-2008, 04:17 PM

I have done indoor/outdoor carpet, mostly the unitary backed 'grass' carpet around pools and in complete outdoor installations, I have always used an exterior adhesive (no idea who makes it or the exact name of it, this is not an everyday type of installation). I haven't had any issues using that adhesive as a full spread installation. I am guessing the logic being used for the double stick tape method is so they could pick it up it got wet?

I really can't forsee the need to do that, the possibility of mold or mildew happenning over concrete with a 100% synthetic material, that is exposed to oxygen is very minimal. I wish I could remember who makes the adhesive, I know it is a very goopy adhesive, but the last install I did with it was over a year ago.

mickeyco · 05-27-2008, 04:22 PM

Maybe drill a few holes and use screw or nails? They do make special mats (like a router mat) to put under carpets to stop them from sliding around, I got one because of the dog, I'm not sure about using them outside, I see no reason not to.

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Floordude · 05-27-2008, 05:50 PM

Capital has some 2 sided tape just for this. They say you can stretch and stick it, to it and it will hold.

Handyman Jim · 05-27-2008, 06:24 PM

I've only done a few of these,the last one was last year, around Oct. Have always used the adhesive and never had any call back or problem.

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MALCO.New.York · 05-27-2008, 07:32 PM

ALWAYS use a spray adhesive for "outdoor" carpet. There are different strengths. determine how long you wish it to stick and choose the strength!

csheafer · 05-28-2008, 06:37 PM

Take it from a professional
Double tape will not work unless it is only for a very short time.
Spray adhesive is NOT THE BEST IDEA.
Regular glue will not work as it is latex based and does NOT mix with water.

If the guy does not want to do it right, then tell him to do it himself or better, have the neighbor do it!

wizendwizard · 05-28-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by csheafer

Take it from a professional
Double tape will not work unless it is only for a very short time.
Spray adhesive is STUPID.
Regular glue will not work as it is latex based and does NOT mix with water.

If the guy does not want to do it right, then tell him to do it himself or better, have the neighbor do it!

FYI.... for the most part, we are all licensed professionals here.

FYI.... calling something Stupid on here is a good way to get your tires sliced or worse.

FYI.....we are in the FLOORING forum. It can be assumed that the professional installing this product will check with his supplier for the proper glue to use for this application.

FYI.....Making useful suggestions is a welcomed thing here....slamming other contractors and suggesting their idea's are stupid is not.

csheafer · 05-28-2008, 07:42 PM

Seems to me that I was really just stating the obvious. That is, obvious to a floor covering specialist.
In addition, other suggestions that I mentioned that were made were not made by flooring specialists.
It can not be assumed that the professional installing this product will check with his supplier since the guy asking the question is the guy who would be installing it.
Oh, and being a remodeling contractor does not necessarily qualify you as being a floor covering specialist.
And by the way, I gave the most useful suggestion that could have been given by letting him know exactly what is up.

wizendwizard · 05-28-2008, 10:50 PM

Nice edit.... you being from Olathe you couldn't just admit you were wrong huh?

Regardless.....All I saw was slamming and bashing from your end.... Not a single decent suggestion in the lot. You see the thing to do was offer a suggestion on how to fix the problem without letting others formulate an opinion about you in your 3rd post. Hopefully you have NOW found useful information on this forum.

The key is to give him the info needed to do the job correctly and make money from a HO that is obviously uneducated.

Never walk from a project you can still make money on. Which BTW was your only suggestion.

Demonseed · 05-28-2008, 11:40 PM

I said it is a full spread installation, I just can't recall the adhesive I have used in the past, I average one pool job every 2 years. Usually on concrete or steel/aluminum.

Over wood, and exposed to the elements, you would want to be able to get the 'carpet' up. Over concrete, it would not matter, exterior grade adhesive trowels out like 440 cove base adhesive, and has a bad grab time, but it lasts forever, look online, it was a black bucket, so I am guessing it could be anyone, I did 300+ yards around an olympic sized pool, and I can tell you double faced tape was not an option

csheafer · 05-29-2008, 11:39 AM

Any indoor outdoor adhesive product should work fine.
Any carpet supply store should have it in stock.
I'm not sure about the price for 1 gal but a 4 gal pail costs 60.00.
Depending on what the surface is like you probably need to figure 2 gals.
Also, it calls for a bit of a larger notched trowel then a regular carpet trowel.
I just finished a miniature golf course with take up and adhesive removal, so take it from someone who does this for a living or listen to wiz end wizerd who is apparently a want to be.

MALCO.New.York · 05-30-2008, 10:08 AM

There are spray adhesives that you can hang a car from a ceiling with. Not the stuff in an aerosol can, but PROFESSIONAL contact spray.

Mastic works well also.

wizendwizard · 05-30-2008, 11:18 AM

You finally started talking sense here!

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Originally Posted by csheafer

Any indoor outdoor adhesive product should work fine.
Any carpet supply store should have it in stock.
I'm not sure about the price for 1 gal but a 4 gal pail costs 60.00.
Depending on what the surface is like you probably need to figure 2 gals.
Also, it calls for a bit of a larger notched trowel then a regular carpet trowel.
I just finished a miniature golf course with take up and adhesive removal, so take it from someone who does this for a living or

Then you lost it and became insulting to people again.

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Originally Posted by csheafer

listen to wiz end wizerd who is apparently a want to be.

I get labeled a want to be because I called you out for rudeness?
Funny, i'm licensed for floor coverings in my state.... I guess that means I do this for pleasure instead of for a living.....interesting.

**genecarp** · 05-30-2008, 12:47 PM

girls girls, enough

csheafer · 05-30-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MALCO.New.York

There are spray adhesives that you can hang a car from a ceiling with. Not the stuff in an aerosol can, but PROFESSIONAL contact spray.

Mastic works well also.

Mastic is ceramic tile adhesive
Those video links take you to Bruce Lee.
Contact cementing the entire porch is a little "excessive" don't ya think?

MALCO.New.York · 05-31-2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by csheafer

Mastic is ceramic tile adhesive
Those video links take you to Bruce Lee.
Contact cementing the entire porch is a little "excessive" don't ya think?

Nope!

csheafer · 06-01-2008, 07:59 AM

My Lord.... that's frightening...