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Old 02-25-2011, 02:16 PM   #21
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Laminates are getting better by the month. I usually sell the 12mm handscrapes.
I would never put it under the cabinets though. It's too much stress on the joints as well as binding the expansion.
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Old 04-17-2011, 02:43 PM   #22
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Is it possible/advised to add additional layers of clear to increase wear resistance on these floors?
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NO..............laminate floors is a poor mans porsche
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Is there a durable wood alternative that costs less than true hardwood? I have to cover 1500 sq ft.
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they make a tile that looks like hardwood that runs about 2.50 a foot. the size is 6 x 24
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How does Bruce prefinished solid hardwood hold up?
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Bruce is a ok product for the price just watch your butt ends when installing they sometimes aren't square.
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Is there a durable wood alternative that costs less than true hardwood? I have to cover 1500 sq ft.
Don't mean to act like a dick here but why is it ok for contractors and homeowners alike to come into my store and curse particle board boxes while touting the incorrect superiority of plywood yet continue to seek out and purchase junk inferior NON wood flooring products? This insults my intelligence.

Buy wood for God's sakes. If the homeowner wants fake plastic flooring made from recycled soda bottles then it is our job as professionals to educate them.
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Don't mean to act like a dick here but why is it ok for contractors and homeowners alike to come into my store and curse particle board boxes while touting the incorrect superiority of plywood yet continue to seek out and purchase junk inferior NON wood flooring products? This insults my intelligence.

Buy wood for God's sakes. If the homeowner wants fake plastic flooring made from recycled soda bottles then it is our job as professionals to educate them.

I'm an exterior guy who came here for advice from flooring pro's because I know little about them. But it's ok, you can continue to be a dick if you feel better..
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absolutely not!!!! floating floors must move. my buddy had to go back to a job and cut out around all the cabinets and add base shoe. take 5 minutes and read the directions. i have never seen a laminate floor that said you can run under cabinets. u can always take a few extra minutes to match the stain color for base shoe around the cabinets and looks nice. and that way your safe
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Having installed cabinets in at least a thousand kitchens over the past 20 years, it seems as though flooring issues are always at the top of the list of "how should this be done?" That being said and perhaps not really relevant, I personally don't care for laminate in kitchens or baths. Tile or slate in my opinion, is the way to go. It's the most durable and easiest to maintain, and yes, it should be installed before cabinetry is set. I've installed cabinets on laminate (after calling the builder and making sure they know the warranty will be voided if I do so) but agree that laminate should be installed after cabinets. Still I wonder how it is that cabinets won't let a "floating floor" move, but a refrigerator (the heaviest item in the kitchen) is o.k. Then there is always the issue of "who is going to come back and trim the cabinets to the floor?" Most cabinet companys only give us scribe moulding (1/4" thick) to do this, and it's always a problem because the flooring needs to be at least a 1/4" away from anything stationary. Sometimes the gap can be 3/8". Sometimes I wish for ignorance in these situations, but I know I'll end up going back because I care about what my installs look like in the end.
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About a month ago, I went to a house that had laminate flooring in the kitchen that was seperating all over the room. It was installed under the cabinets so I had to remove it all and reinstall it so that the peices would be hidden under the kickplate of the cabinets. The weight of the cabinets will not let the flooring float so you most likely will end up with problems in the future.
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laminate floors can be installed anywhere even in bathrooms. i have done it and will continue to do it, because I CAN DO IT RIGHT. it is meant to be used anywhere. under cabinets also , but yes, you gotta allow for movement. in my own home i have had floods and laminate in living room , after a few days , because of enough expansion . my floors NEVER BUCKLED. i promote enginnered floors over laminate because of price , pergo sells thier floors at 3.49 . i can get a 9/16 enginnered wood flooring for 2.79 glue it to your concrete or laminate and you end up with A REAL WOOD FLOOR . and those that can install 1200 in a day , YEA RIGHT. half ass job , giving us professionals a bad rep. i can guarrantee that , your job has many short cuts . underjam , not enough expansion, not balanced right , wrong staggered joints , inproper sealing of walls prior to even installing the laminate underlayment. i can go on .. ..
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laminate floors can be installed anywhere even in bathrooms. i have done it and will continue to do it, because I CAN DO IT RIGHT. it is meant to be used anywhere. under cabinets also , but yes, you gotta allow for movement. in my own home i have had floods and laminate in living room , after a few days , because of enough expansion . my floors NEVER BUCKLED. i promote enginnered floors over laminate because of price , pergo sells thier floors at 3.49 . i can get a 9/16 enginnered wood flooring for 2.79 glue it to your concrete or laminate and you end up with A REAL WOOD FLOOR . and those that can install 1200 in a day , YEA RIGHT. half ass job , giving us professionals a bad rep. i can guarrantee that , your job has many short cuts . underjam , not enough expansion, not balanced right , wrong staggered joints , inproper sealing of walls prior to even installing the laminate underlayment. i can go on .. ..
Wrong. Name one manufacturer that says you can install under cabinets. One. I'll wait

As far as how much footage that can be laid in a day - totally depends on the circumstances and you know it. You sound like a lot of the guys that are slow and attempt to justify your lack of speed and prices by tearing apart the guys who CAN. If you can't - fine, but don't begrudge us who CAN. I have laid 1000+ sf of laminate in one work day many, many times. Several times alone, without help. I've also been laying laminate floors for over 16 years.

You learn methods and ways of doing things that speed up the process considerably over the years. I waste very little time once the floor is prepped and ready to go. My cuts are made right where I work - not a 200yd trip to the saw setup outside. I can think several rows ahead and plan my layout accordingly so that when I get to a door jamb or some other roadblock in the way it is already setup to be quick and easy. After having dealt with every possible locking system on the market hundreds of times, there is no learning curve anymore as to how it goes together or what method will be faster - we already know. I've also had 500 ft jobs take two days due to logistical issues and aggravating layouts.

To just jump out there and ASSume someone is a hack because they have the ability to accomplish more in a day than you is pretty stupid on your part. Maybe you would want to know what they know and you don't

I tell you what. Ask me ANY question you want, in an open forum, about my ability and knowledge level on laminate flooring you want and lets see where YOUR knowledge level lies? You attempted to call out the wrong one partner. You might want to do some research first.
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Just make sure you add suitable beading to finish off the laminate flooring or you will face future problems with the ends being exposed to moisture from use of your kitchen.

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8 , 16 , 24 , 32, or centimeters and if balanced right the left overs from each one of those cuts based on the length of laminate planks , and the majority are made overseas so therefore it should be cut in centimeters not inches, should match 100% on the other end and you shouldn't have to make a single additional cut unless the wall changes and if it does then you gotta configure your layout again.. if you know what I'm talking about then reply, . I'm a PROFESSIONAL FLOOR COVERING INSTALLER not a HANDYMAN. I bet you floors are staggered in a STAIR like design.. 1 , 2 ,3 .. you get 3 cuts out of one plank instead of 5 like PROS DO.. .

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8 , 16 , 24 , 32, or centimeters and if balanced right the left overs from each one of those cuts based on the length of laminate planks , and the majority are made overseas so therefore it should be cut in centimeters not inches, should match 100% on the other end and you shouldn't have to make a single additional cut unless the wall changes and if it does then you gotta configure your layout again.. if you know what I'm talking about then reply, . I'm a PROFESSIONAL FLOOR COVERING INSTALLER not a HANDYMAN. I bet you floors are staggered in a STAIR like design.. 1 , 2 ,3 .. you get 3 cuts out of one plank instead of 5 like PROS DO.. .
You mention that you are certified, could you tell us what organization? You mention it twice in your profile. If it's CFI, perhaps you know 2 friends of mine who are CFI trainers?
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my certifications are from , armstrong , pergo and orcon. my training and certifications are on laminate residential and commercial , vinyl ,residential and commercial , commercial vinyl coving , commercial vinyl heat welding , residential vinyl , carpet installation on residential patterin match berbers , commercial carpet installations. my trainers were scott parks and tim province, my brother is a master installer II ,alot of what i know I owe it to him also.the cfi certification has not been something that i have taken the time to reseach. carpet is not really something im intrested in , at 7 a square yard my min. rate to install, there is little money and too much time wasted to install. Look ! i come across alot of guys with so many years experience , that say they know this and that, im still learning , maybe we are off track here. my hate for the handy man is showing i guess. Currently im working on 3200 sft of enginerred wood flooring , glue down on concrete. i will post pictures.
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Who is the handyman you speak of? I'm the one who mentioned laying 1250sf in a day and you listed that specifically in your tirade against hacks. So yeah, I took that personally - go figure. You know as well as I do that most of the so called "certifications" are nothing more than a marketing tool. I'm not saying they are a complete waste of time, but - having one doesn't prove **** either.

Its really easy to do a search for posts under a specific user name. Do a search for laminate posts under my name concerning laminate and tell me specifically where I have given bad information once.

You ASSume because someone is more capable than you are they must be doing it wrong. Sorry it doesn't work that way.

Opie, Bud Cline, Bill Vincent and a few others around here could probably blow me out of the water time wise on setting a large format custom shower for instance. Does that mean they are doing it wrong because I damned sure know I'm doing it right? Nope. It means they have more experience and years of tricks up their sleeves that I have yet to acquire.

As I said before, you may want to research who you are calling out prior to doing it on a public forum. I don't claim to be the know all, be all flooring authority around here by any means, but I damned sure am far from a handyman on the subject either.
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One of the major organizations that offer certs, sent out a DVD a few years ago. If you watched it and sent them a check, you were a certified carpet installer. Nice, huh? and I have seen work by certified installers that my 6 year old grandson could put to shame. Just because a guy can pass a test and knows how to do things right, it doesn't mean that they will.

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