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Old 11-25-2007, 02:51 PM   #61
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You're talking about either the 200 or 300 (it should say which yours is on the side of the gun), and I've got both of them. If you look at the bottom of that page, you'll see the extension that goes with those guns. As for the screws, where I got started with the Sencos was from my local Daltile Warehouse. They sell both the 1000 count cans of screws, as well as the 4000 count boxes. What got me to go to this site is that Dal no longer carries the 1" screws for when I'm going over hydronic radiant heat. Now that I've been to Juldan's site, they're actually cheaper than any place else I know of that carries the Duraspin screws, even WITH the shipping!

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Old 11-25-2007, 03:04 PM   #62
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Floordude-- I agree with Jerry. Are you sure it's the 18 volt? A friend of mine bought the 14 voilt from HD, and that thing won't hold a charge for even an hour of constant use. My 18 will go atleast a couple of hours, and by that time, the second battery is fully charged.



This is why I leave people shaking their heads sometimes. When deciding who I should listen to, there are three sources I check. First, is the manufacturer's instructions. Second, is TCNA recommendations, and third is my own field experience. There are many times where I don't agree with a manufacturer about their own product, and this is one of them. Another good example would be Schluter saying you can go over sheetrock with Kerdi. But in the case of the fiberock, that void still exists, and for that reason, I'll listen to TCNA's recommendations. Who knows-- they might be right, and for some reason, thinset isn't needed. I'm not about to put my reputation on the line to find out, though.
I have been leery of this as well, but I do it (everybody over at JB's seems to subscribe to it). Why do you think its not a good idea Bill? My thoughts are, what happens to the "sweat" on the other side. Or do the Schluter folks think that it will only sweat on the hot side? Maybe I am way off base but I still feel weird about drywall in a shower.
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:48 PM   #63
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My thoughts are, what happens to the "sweat" on the other side.
That's exactly my thought. I know it won't do anything immediately, or even with in 5-6 years. But over time, I'm afraid that the condensation will deteriorate the gypsum in the sheetrock, and make it rot. I'm not about to find out the hard way.
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That's exactly my thought. I know it won't do anything immediately, or even with in 5-6 years. But over time, I'm afraid that the condensation will deteriorate the gypsum in the sheetrock, and make it rot. I'm not about to find out the hard way.

I dont like sheetrock in a shower either but my grandpa put it in this house in '60 or '61 and so far its fine. If it were my house I wouldnt use it.
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I also know of people who've put their shower pan tile down with mastic and it hasn't come up yet. Doesn't make it right, nor does it mean it works. It means those are the exceptions to the rule. The majority of showers and tubs where the tile was installed over sheetrock, have failed.
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At least I ain't the only one lol. Bill, are you using cbu and Kerdi?
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Yep-- Durock.
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Bill, I love ya like a brother and I am not being argumentative... it's more like butting heads here . The sole point I was attempting to get across is that Fiberock is not a "CBU" backer board. It's a backer board for sure, but it is classified as a "Fiber-Reinforced Water restistant Gypsum backer Board Underlayment" type of backer board.

Hardi, on the other hand, is classified as a "Fiber-Cement Underlayment" type of backer board. To make this more confusing, James C Hardi claims hardibacker falls under both the "Cementitous Backer Unit (CBU) type of backer board along with the "Fiber-Cement" type of backer board.

This article explains the differences in backer boards far better than I can...
http://www.tileletter.com/Sept06/TCNAtileBackers.htm

But forget all that and I will use jerry speak to make this point .

Say one of us was hired to go to install tile over CBU backer board... if I put down Fiberock , I would be using a product that was not within those specifications. This maybe a small issue but it has the potential to be a huge issue. Imbedding it in thinset is a whole nother issue... and USG is the one saying we don't need it, not me. That's one of many reasons I don't use Fiberock.

I check in on several tile forums and i have noted many times posters saying.... "I use Fiberock CBU under my tile jobs". Can you see my point?

Just trying to get all installers to know what they are putting down before they do it.
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I prefer the Coated glass mat water-resistant gypsum board as a backerboard choice on floors, walls, countertops, and shower walls.
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i only use hardie on most of my bathroom jobs. and most pans are all mud/tile. vinyl pans just scare me though, just always in the back of my mind thinking it might leak someday no matter how much you plan to make it last forever, nothing is forever.

i got sick of durock. just easier to work with hardie.

i really am not sure about putting that denshield on the floors, but they say it's ok for flooring, wouldn't you think it would crush down over time with traffic? being that it's almost like gyp board under that rough paper.

anyone here use that on a floor yet?
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Everyone has their own preferences. I'll work with Hardi if and only if it's necessary, and I'll walk away from a job before I'll use Denshield.
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This is how I would have done it because thats how I read to do it. I feel less stupid now .
Where did you read that a CBU mnfctr say to use adhesive?


Teetorbilt didnt read about that method anywhere, he is saying he knowingly doesnt use the mnfctr recommended and approved method of CBU installation, because he thinks his way is better.
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Where did you read that a CBU mnfctr say to use adhesive?
Im not sure where I read it at but I'll go dig around and see if I can find it.
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