s.smith

I got a job to lay some tile, right now the homeowner has vinyl down. Can i go right on top of the vinyl or do i have to remove the vinyl and lueon. If so durock or cement board instead on lueon. I just want it done right? Please give advice and pros and cons.

Thanks
God bless

TileLady

The luan and vinyl tile HAS to come up. Secondly, there will be adhesive left from the vinyl and that has to be removed also.

Is tiling your main job? No offense but these questions are quite basic.

Bud Cline

s.smith,

You inquiry should be taken to a DIY Forum somewhere, you are not a member of the tile trades. This forum is reserved for professionals in the trades. Thank You.

Here try this one:

http://www.diychatroom.com/

s.smith

Thanks guys. I'm actually a trim carpenter so tile is not my trade but have done it a few times, and understand the question is pretty obvious but always better safe than sorry. I appreciate the help.

God bless

remodeling joe

i take it that the house has a wood subfloor...2nd story or off the ground. will it be too high if you just lay 1/4 inch hardie over the existing floor in comparison to the hall??

reveivl

That'll last at least until the check clears...

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TileLady

Are you suggesting to lay hardie over the vinyl? If that's what you're suggesting, please refrain from giving incorrect information.

Vinyl has to come up. Period. Check the TCNA handbook (hope you know what that is).

remodeling joe

if the vinyl sheeting is loose in some spots then yes remove it. some people say remove all subfloors until you get to the original 5/8 plywood sub. i agree but, if the current vinyl floor is rock solid everywhere, then i don't see the problem screwing the hardie thru the subfloor into the joists. no man or "woman" work the same. i've had nothing but good feedback on my jobs and NEVER had a call back. as far as the "tcna handbook" is concerned, "they" always come up with these new ways of doing things "right". one year they say this, then next year they say that. no offense to anyone in their manners of doing it their way. this is only my way and i've been very successful.

TileLady

Joe,

The problem with vinyl (especially cushioned sheet vinyl or squares) is that it has 'give' -meaning it can flex. And you can't have 'give' when you're laying tile. Vinyl is easy enough to remove and it should always be suggested to a customer to remove it because you don't want problems down the road. Secondly, from a business standpoint, removing the vinyl generates a little more money.

I am just finishing up a large den tiling job. The customer told me under their carpet was just cement. Once I pulled up their carpet, there was vinyl tiles. They all looked very well adhered but I told them it definitely had to come up. Well when I went to remove it, I couldn't believe how easy they came up. Literally, I took my floor scraper and 'swept' up the old vinyl tiles. It took longer to clean up the debris than it did to remove 300 square feet of tiles. It took me like 20 minutes to remove the tiles that LOOKED so well adhered. In reality, they weren't well adhered at all.

So I'm happy for you that you've never had a callback. But I recommend doing yourself a favor and play it safe. Up with the vinyl! You may wish to check out johnbridge.com as it's all about tiling. That's where us 'tiling guros' hang out.

Happy New Year and best of luck

platinumLLC

I'm going to agree with the play it safe crowd. Two months ago i went to look at a job that failed do to being installed over vinyl and press board. The previous installer put down 1/4" cement board over the vinyl and then tiled. It was only about 3 years old and they ended up having to replace all the tile due to this. Maybe some people have luck with going over vinyl but i have seen first hand failures and would never suggest it.

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remodeling joe

dear tile lady
YES!!!!! if it's on concrete, YES remove EVERYTHING!! i was only saying about on wooden subfloors. i would NEVER lay tile on vinyl over concrete. i agree with the "correct" way of wooden subfloor procedure BUT "MOST" people would not Pay for the extra labor involved. . I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE INCORRECT.

remodeling joe

GOOD LORD!!!! if any pressboard is within sight "remove everything"!!!! and start from scratch!! no room for discusion there.

Mike Costello

Unless you have x ray vision you should rip out everything. An interflex vinyl is only adhered around the edges but gives the appearance of being down tight.

There are way to many variables involved to give a blanket "as long as its over wood" aproach.

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