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Old 08-30-2005, 01:23 PM   #1
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Hi evry1 I have a customer who wants to install ceramic tile over hardwood flooring, but since he is renting the management company of the building advised him that he cannot damage the wood floors in any way. I was curios if it is possible to put down 1/2 inch plywood over the wood floor without screwing it, then install backerboard onto the plywood and then install the tile normally. Or if there is an easier or cheaper way to do it, like maybe just putting down the backerboard without screws and then cementing the tile right over it.

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Old 08-30-2005, 02:57 PM   #2
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..uhhh......theres no such thing as a ceramic floating floor.

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Sounds like a cracked ceramic floor to me, doh!
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Sounds like a lot of work for nothing to me, but...

Tile showrooms put down tile all the time in a temporary fashion with the intention that eventually they will pull it up and put down a new display. Those techniques might be something to look into. They usually involve a type of roofing felt like paper laid over the cement floor first.

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..uhhh......theres no such thing as a ceramic floating floor.
Actually there is. Lowe's or Home Depot actually sell a floating tile.
But I wouldn't rely on it looking fantastic, or being that easy to install.
But it still exists.
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ok......barring the Edge™...which has had RAVEEEEE reviews over at john bridge ...there is no such thing as a floating ceramic floor. If it's allowed ill post the link to the thread over there...or go there and search for "edge"...you'll find it.
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That's right...there is a reason there is not a floating ceramic on the market really.
It sounds nice

but it only sounds that way
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i've never seen floating ceramic before. but, i have seen a snap-lock faux tile floor before! installs just like snap-lock laminate.no damage to existing floor or expensive prep. usually alot cheaper & quicker than ceramic, and it does look pretty good.
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i've never seen floating ceramic before. but, i have seen a snap-lock faux tile floor before! installs just like snap-lock laminate.no damage to existing floor or expensive prep. usually alot cheaper & quicker than ceramic, and it does look pretty good.
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Quickstep has the best lookin tile lam on the market these days.
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Hi evry1 I have a customer who wants to install ceramic tile over hardwood flooring, but since he is renting the management company of the building advised him that he cannot damage the wood floors in any way. I was curios if it is possible to put down 1/2 inch plywood over the wood floor without screwing it, then install backerboard onto the plywood and then install the tile normally. Or if there is an easier or cheaper way to do it, like maybe just putting down the backerboard without screws and then cementing the tile right over it.

Thanks in advance,

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I dont think theres a lasting way to have a floating ceramic tile floor, however I think the concepts is possible, but wouldnt be long term. The reason being is your floor gains strength from that which is below it, therefore as much as plywood can expand and contract without having it screwed to something will be more apt to have more movement and a 1/2" concrete underlayment might not be enough strength to keep the tile under 2% movement on top, which is when you'll start having problems. I guess a variable would be to how much your 1st floating level (plywood, pressboard, etc would expand.) One thing you could maybe do, would to put down some kind of buffer like for laminate floors ( so your concrete underlayment does not scratch the wood floor) - and lay just 1/2 concrete board over it only. Your hardwood beneath it though can move (physics of expansion and contraction vs. temperature changes) and it might effect it, but if you're not planning on dying in the house (being a rental) and you want it to look nice for now it might work even though it's not necessarily recommended. I'd be interested in 5 yrs down the road what the condition of it is.
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There is indeed floating ceramic tile flooring that I have installed in my own home. It is wonderful stuff! It looks fantastic and is the perfect solution to a home that shifts, which unfortunately I can identify with...lol! As jproffer mentioned its brand name is The Edge, its genuine ceramic (or cultured marble) 12x12 tiles mounted to a rigid MDF that snaps together much like laminate flooring. When you purchase the tile you purchase the kit that includes a dimond edged skill saw and jig saw blades to cut it. The grout is a little different, its silicone based to prevent cracking (when dry it feels much like gritty rubber), premixed and you apply it like you would calking -with a standard calking gun. It comes in 1x2 sheets and cuts easily with the blades it comes with. You have to use the underlay designed for the product, its foil covered spongy material that comes in 4x8 folded sheets. You have to join the sheets with packing tape rather than staples. I was referred to it by several homeowners before trying it and it is fabulous, you would never guess that its wasn't ceramic tile, because it is! I have had it for 2 years now and I am throughly impressed, my walls have cracked, doors have jamed up but my flooring remains perfect! Highly recommended.
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I think the space shuttle people are at the forefront of this technology. They have developed a system which relies on some sort of polystyrene insulation as the release agent for the tile. They seem to be replacing tile on a regular basis.
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Edge tile filed bankruptcy, months ago. They are no more. Too many failures and lack of respect, forced them under the rug.
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There's a 30 page thread on this crap over on John Bridge's site... It's junk.
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You got that right. And if the JB thread's not enough, I've got a list of about 20 more from forums all over the web where people had exactly the same kind of problems. These were not isolated incidents. This was due to a product hitting the shelves before enough R&D had been done. They expected the public to do it FOR them. Kinda like Trafficmaster!!
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Actually there is a FLOATING CERAMIC TILE FLOORING PRODUCT available.

This product is nothing like the Edge product that has failed miserably and forced the Edge Company into bankruptcy.

This product is porcelain ceramic adhered to a plastic backer tray that allows the tile to be snapped together. The porcelain is a full 9mm thick, thicker than most all porcelains on the market. The tiles are currently available in several colors and come 12 X 12 in size. The grout is a special formula that offers the necessary flexibility required of a floating tile floor.

It is recommended that the substrate meet the L/360 requirements of any ceramic floor traditional installation but a slight fudging could be acceptable under some circumstances. This floating ceramic tile can be installed over any reasonable flat substrate and could later be totally removed if necessary without any damage to the substrate.

The product is currently available at Menard's in the central Midwest of this country and is in all the Home Depots in Canada. It is also available from some mom & pops around the country.

Google SNAPSTONE for the details.
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I've heard alot about Snapstone PRIOR to installations. I've yet to hear from a single person AFTER using it. I guess that could be good OR bad!
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Ed,
I saw your question about the tile over the wood flooring and you should look into floating ceramic til. It's new and it may help your friend get the floor he's looking for.
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Pamela, I have a feeling that floor just might be done by now. I'm wondering if you're going to be another Samantha, who came in here as a roofing contractor to the flooring forum, and the only post she's made in three years was concerning a flooring product that she gave a glowing recommendation on. The only post on site (not just this forum) in three years. Is that you, too?

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