FatTire

I randomly came across this thread and I can't believe what I read here. SLSTech offers the snapshot that embodies every homeowner's fear of and distaste for contractors: that his or her "profession opinion" varies depending the person with whom he is speaking. I mean, come on. It's a no brainer. Transitions occur under the centerline of the door. Period. A simple question was asked, and more than one person here based their "profession opinion" on what he or she thought of the person asking the question. That's gross. You're just giving homeowners legitimate reason to continue to be suspicious of contractors. I thought there was some movement away from contractors treating their customers like idiots, but I don't see that here. What I DO see is lots of room for improvement. I look forward to seeing that improvement because I don't like having to continue to get over that burden for every new client I meet - a burden imposed by those who perpetuate this yester-year prejudice.

This forum is supposed to be for pros. We should all act like it.

Anti-wingnut

You're simplistically blaming us FatTire, for the guy fishing for answers a "consultant" should know. Furthermore, we still do not know who is to blame. The transition is wrong, but:
1) Did the HO change the swing of the door after floor install?
2) Did the HO change from a pocket door after floor install?
3) Did the flooring guys ask the GC where the transition should be?
4) Did the GC give the wrong answer?
5) Is the GC an idiot?
6) Are the flooring guys idiots

Is this argument with the GC about what is wrong, or who should pay? In my first two scenarios, the HO should pony up. In scenarios 3 - 5, it comes out of the GC's pocket. Number 6, a floor guy pays to fix his screw up.

We don't know, and some of the hostility towards to OP is due to his fishing for an answer.

Weren't AV guys like the total dorks in High School?

Longghairr

Everyone involved is at fault. I have been in the trade for over 30 yrs. I always make sure to find out which way a door swings when there is just a raw opening, usually marked on the framework. A pocket door consist of totally different frame work than a swing door. Anyone who is in the know, would know this. I, myself, have seldom seen a bathroom door swing to the outside. Carpet guy should have ran carpet long until problem was solved. Problem with that is ,now days people are hired for cheap and don't want to come back, and really don't care. Bottom line, everyone loses. That's the shame of the construction bussiness now days, no one cares, they just want thier money!!! Even if the GC didn't hire the crews, it;s still his responsibility. That is what he was hired for. So glad I don't work in or around that area of the world.

Longghairr

My question is? Why is a computer/ a/v tech even in this site. My suggestion to you is, get in the trades for about 30 yrs and then give your opinion on professionalism. I ran the last computer genius out of my office because he didn't have a clue about his own trade, I finally figured it out and fixed the problem myself. We have enough problems right now just finding work. If anyone here is unprofessional, it is you. I don't think this site is set up for DIY people to get info. I might be wrong. I'm in the trade for money, not to tell weekend warriors how to do it!!!

Anti-wingnut

You may not believe this Longhair, but I actually agree with this 100%. There had to have been multiple times when this screwup could have been caught and rectified. It was not. A lot of people missed the boat. The trades have a problem, too many people only see their task, and do not see the whole. Some of that is a language barrier, and some of it is due to incomplete training. Too many younger people see construction as a job, and only a job. There still are young people who want to be craftsmen, but they are not encouraged to the degree they should be.

With your knowledge and attitude, you would be a welcome addition up here

Longghairr

Thank you my friend. I see this everyday. I miss the old school days. Language barrier in Fla has gotten out of hand, but that still is no excuse. It's a shame, for everyone involved, hopefully it gets better. My deal is, If I won't live with it in my house, it is unacceptable!!! That's just me.

Longghairr

Thanks again!!! If the pute/ a/v want's to learn something this weekend, we will be in the Keys. He can drop by for more info on professionalism.

Mike Costello

Thank you for that excellent advice mr computer guy

loneframer

The project manager is at fault, period. If the GC was managing the project it is his fault. When I am acting as PM, every detail is my responsibility, no matter what. All terminations are marked on every opening. If the tile guys are on site, I will explain all details. If there is a language barrier, I will lay out the tile/flooring myself and oversee them until I feel comfortable walking away. Finishes are everything to a homeowner. They live with them day to day.

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If there is a language barrier, ICE is called immediately!!
NO illegals on my jobs, period!!! NO way in hell!!!!

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bobbyacro

How about you take some pictures of the job this consultant has a problem with, walk into a flooring companies place of business and ask them to help you with some free advice. How do you think that would workout? I am new to flooring sales and work for a REAL CONTRACTOR, so im right on the edge of being able to post here, but I respect that these people have put in decades of learning the trade and want to have a place just for pros. You shouldnt come into this forum acting the way you did, treating them like 5 year olds, telling them how to play nice. The directions and rules are clearly laid out, and if "someone" could follow directions this problem would not have happened to begin with.

Im new to flooring sales, I explain this to everyone I attemp to do business with, and for the most part its not a problem because I take my time and make sure I get it right the first time. A home owner pays a consultant to know everything that they dont, making the consultant accountable for problems like this. Also, the only people who deserve second chances after lying are family and close friends, no brownie points for fessing up after it was your only option left to get what you wanted from these people.

Longghairr

You basically repeated my response. Wish you were here in Fla. You could do all the hard work for me, while I sit in my truck!!! We need more PM's like you down here!!! If a Herring Bone pattern, on a 45, is the deal, can I depend on you for the lay out??? Please move to Fla. We need more men like you.

ian@prosource

Is it possible to lock this post now as the subject has being dealt with and the extra comments are getting out of hand and are becoming pointless.

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Anti-wingnut

I don't think they are, and I do not think the heavy hand of locking is warranted. Ian is not obligated to look at every post

J&I_FLOORING

If the tile was set first and it was done by an artisan contractor seperate from the carpet installer then it lays at fault with the tile setter. The tile setter should have known to stop any transition under the door so that it is a hidden transition. Sorry about your experience. The tile setter should have no problem taping and grinding a straight edge under the stop for a cleaner transition. The carpet installer, depending on if he/she installed with a stretcher or kicker may have enough stretch left in the carpet to trans into the tile. If there is not enough stretch an easy fix is to take some rem carpet make a small seam and cut to fit.

q&aflooring

who ever put that tile in should either pay for that or offer a discount to whom evers site it was the caprpet guys are cool they just cut to it theres no fixing that good luck my guy!

q&aflooring

ok sorry yes you can fix it im sure there is enough pull in the carpet left but you cant just pull from the doorway for if you do soon or later you will have a buckle in the carpet you have to pull the whole wall up toward the door or even reset the whole peice then cut your tile UNDER the door

framerman

Thread is a little old, but I'll debate with you.

Tile guy screwed up, but his liability is only to cut to under the door, that's all. Pay for nothing, discount nothing...only fix, which is 5 or 10 minutes with a grinder.

Whoever gave the carpet guy (GC/Supe/HO) the go ahead is the one responsible for the major fix.

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bwalley

A General Contractor subs out electrical and plumbing so it is hard to hold that against the GC, what did he fail on the builiding?

As far as what is standard, there is no set in stone standard, it can be done the way he did it, but when I do a remodel transitions end up under the door, but that is my personal preference, if it was important to you that the transitions be installed a certain way, it should have been on the plans, the specs or in the contract.

As far as assistance, you aren't going to get help from contractors to go bash another contractor on a issue of personal preferance.

How are you going to become a consultant when you don't have any experience?

Danz

Have you ever watched hgtv? I think you're supposed to use 3 in thick doors. just kidding, don't wanna hurt any feelings. But seriously what do youthink is standard practice? Maybe yo can go to home depot and buy some beautiful floor to floor transition seems...